152 Replies Latest reply on May 30, 2021 10:16 AM by Bruce Altobelli

    Seeking my father's WWII military records

    Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

      I have been trying to find out what happened to my father.  He and my mother married in May, 1943, he was deployed shortly thereafter, and she never saw or heard from him again.  She was never notified by the military that he was dead or missing in action.  He allegedly served in the Army, but I can find no records to support that.  I am 76 years old, have been searching for him 50+ years, and have exhausted every ancestry group and government records available to the public.  Any suggestions as to what to try next will be sincerely appreciated.

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          Elliot Schneider Ranger

          Diane,

           

          do you have any additional information on your father name DOB, place of birth?

           

           

           

           

          Elliot Schneider

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              Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

              I know from the 1940 Census that he was born in Los Angeles, California.  His parents were Roy and Emma Melstry Nelson.  I know he had a degree in engineering, but don't know from where.  He stated on his marriage license that he was in the Army.  I know he was in Sioux City, Iowa in 1943, because that's where he met and married my mother.  I know there used to be a military base in or around Sioux City.  That's the sum total I have been able to find out in 50+ years.

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                  Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                  I forgot to say that he was born in 1916, according to the census.

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                    Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                    Diane,

                    I decided to go back to basics.

                    I've searched on the just the last name Melstry which William R. Nelson says is his mother.

                    Ancestry, Family Search, Family Tree Researching Unusual Last Names for Genealogy (familytreemagazine.com), the European genealogy site Genealogy: Search your ancestors, Create your family tree, Find archival records, ... - Geneanet all give no results other than the marriage license.

                    Google and other search engines such as Surnames Starting with M (page 2) - Behind the Name and Surname Database: Index of Surnames (surnamedb.com) also show that no one in the world has such a last name.

                    Even the recent Death Index in CA and the grave list her name as Emma M Nelson or Neilson.

                    Melstri comes up with a couple of hits in Argentina

                    Melstre comes up with a few more hits.

                    Melster comes up with hundreds of hits.

                    I suspect he either faked the name or did not know how to spell his mother's maiden name.  Either way, I struck out finding her with any of last names in the census' and also having a Nelson/Neilson be on the same household or a William as a son.

                    Good luck.

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                        Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                        I just don't understand why all this is so difficult.  I don't think I'll ever get any answers, but I just keep trying.

                         

                        As far as Emma is concerned, I am wondering if Melstry was her middle rather than her maiden name?  Back then lots of sir names for middle names.  Also wondering is Sherwood might have been her maiden name.  I doubt it, but it's as good as guess as any of my others.  I talked to the Santa Ana Public Library today and gave them all the information I had.  This information came from the cemetery where she was buried:  Emma M. Nelson, born12/15/1873, died Feb.2, 1966, buried Feb. 5, 1966  Death was in Long Beach, rather than Westminster where she lived.

                         

                        I also filled out and mailed a request to the Minnesota Department of Health to request the death certificate of Roy Nelson.  I may be a month or so before I get anything back.  Wish there were other ways to prove or disprove he was my grandfather.

                         

                        I got this response back from NPRC in response to my question as to how to get morning reports and payroll records:

                         

                        The National Archives and Records Administration has suspended reproduction and digitization services until further notice due to COVID-19 and will be closed beginning November 7th until further notice.  Any orders that have been placed will not be serviced until operations can resume safely.

                         

                        Don't know what to do.  Any advice?

                         

                        Thanks for sticking with me.  I always appreciate your help and advice.

                        Diane

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                        patricia demers Wayfarer

                        He may have been a student at Seton Hill. Per his record it appears he attended Seton hill if he is the same person:

                        William R Neilson

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                        Name: William R Neilson

                        Race: White

                        Marital status: Single, without dependents (Single)

                        Rank: Private

                        Birth Year: 1918

                        Citizenship: Citizen

                        Education: 3 years of college

                        Civil Occupation: Semiskilled machine shop and related occupations, n.e.c.

                        Enlistment Date: 2 Dec 1942

                        Enlistment Place: Greensburg, Pennsylvania

                        Service Number: 33411863

                        Branch: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA

                        Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men)

                        Source: Civil Life

                        Height: 67

                        Weight: 127.

                         

                        Is this him?

                        There is an engineering program there, and U Pitt is also nearby. Both have engineering programs BA, and both were in existing before 1900!

                         

                        Pat Demers

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                            patricia demers Wayfarer

                            I posted to the military groups I think he was a member of in WW2 on Facebook. let's see if anyone answers. You can contact me also via family search.org. 

                            Pat Troy Demers

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                                Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                Hi Pat,

                                 

                                I have tried to contact you through familysearch.org, but not sure I did it right.  I'm an old woman who has been trying to learn how to use a computer for the past 6 years.  I'm still not even a novice.  SO, If you didn't get a message from me, please contact me through that site and I will definitely respond.

                                 

                                I think you may have discovered the right man and the reason for all my mother's lies.  She may or may not have known about his father being in jail before the marriage.  Whether she did or didn't, she wouldn't want anyone else to know.  So, I will try and hope my other wonderful helpers will look into this.

                                 

                                Thank you so much for caring and helping.

                                I look forward to "talking" to you on family search.

                                Diane

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                            Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                            This was sent to me, yesterday.  I'm not sure this is my father.  All other documents were signed William R. Nelson.  I don't think my mother would have dated someone so much older than her when there were so many young men to date.  Also, on all the documents and even the tombstone I've seen spell Emma's last name Melstry.  If this is William R.'s mother, then the mystery just deepens.  Again, I can't imagine why my mother lied about so many things.  I keep asking myself, "Who was she protecting?  What happened between her and her family?"  I am at a loss.  I think I lost another post.  If it doesn't show up today, I'll repost it tonight.  As always,  Grateful for you and your help.

                             

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                                Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                All the posts are on the site.  If you scroll to the very top or the very bottom of the this page, you will see a section that looks like this:

                                There are 101 replies to date (this one will make it at least 102). The sequential blue numbers to the right indicate there are currently 7 pages of replies.  If you click the left button on your mouse on a page number or the left or right blue arrow it will take you to other pages of the posts.

                                As I mentioned before, over 100 replies makes this post unmanageable to follow.  I understand your concern about how to navigate other online sources and create an account at Family Search, Geni, etc.  However, that is the only way to bring order to this post so that we can help you.

                                Is there a local Senior Center, Town or City service, non-profit agency that can assist you in learning basic computer and internet web skills?  I know with the pandemic this may be difficult and perhaps you need to pause this discussion until such time as you can gain the necessary basic skills to better help those who want to help you.

                                 

                                Lastly, I will attempt to guide you through creating a simple, free account.  I assume you are using a Windows PC and not an Apple Mac or other Apple device.  In each case, when I say click on this, it means to use the left mouse button to click on the blue highlighted link.

                                 

                                Click anywhere on this blue link to Family Search - FamilySearch • Free Family Trees and Genealogy Archives — FamilySearch.org

                                A new web page will open on your screen.

                                If you are using a Microsoft Windows PC and are using the default Microsoft browser called EDGE, then you want to save this page as a Favorite.  Do this by left clicking your mouse on the little Star symbol to the right that I have highlighted in yellow.

                                It will bring up a small window that looks like this:

                                 

                                 

                                In the box to the right of Folder, select "Favorites bar" then click the blue Done box.

                                This will save the site so that it is on the top left of your browser screen like so:

                                In this case on my PC, it is the far left Favorite item on the bar called "FamilySearch Free".  In the future you can just mouse click on that and it will open the Family Search web site for you.

                                To create an account, the very top of the screen will look like this:

                                 

                                 

                                See the big, blue box with the words "Create a FREE account"?  Click on that.

                                It will open a new web page that looks like this:

                                 

                                Enter your first and any middle name where it says "First Name" and your MAIDEN name as it is shown you your birth certificate for "Last Name".

                                Click on the the Birth Date and select the month, day and year from the dropdown list.

                                Click the circle next to Female.

                                Unless you are a Morman/LDS member leave that box unchecked.  If you are, then click on the square box next to "I am a member of ......."

                                Click on the blue box Continue.

                                A new web page will appear on your screen that looks like this:

                                 

                                Click on each box but have paper and pencil-pen ready to write down everything you enter as it will be needed each time you come back to this site.  Upper and lower case letters matter, so be sure you write those down accurately.

                                Click on the box Username.  Type in an easy to remember username for yourself and write it down.

                                Click on the box Password.  Type in an easy to remember password for  yourself and write it down.  Click on the box "Show Password" to make sure you have written it down exactly as shown.  You may be required, for security reasons, to enter non-alphabet letters such as numbers or symbols like @, $, %, &, etc.  A warning will come up if that is needed.

                                Click on the box Confirm Password.  Type in the exact same password again.

                                If you have a smart phone you can enter your Mobile Number next to the American flag.  If not, click on the box under "Select a Recovery Option" and click on Email.  That will change the box below it to read Email instead of Mobile Number.

                                Click on the box Email and type in your email address.

                                Click on the Select a location box and select/click United States from the drop down list.  It should be the first selection.

                                Click on the square boxes to receive messages from Family Search and to Agree to the Terms of Use.

                                Click on the blue box "Create Account".

                                Congratulations, you have a new Family Search account where you can enter your family tree and do searches for ancestors, all for free.

                                 

                                You can also search for and connect with other people such as myself and anyone else that has a Family Search account.

                                Once you have this completed, please let us know what your USERNAME is - we do not want or need your password!  With your Username we should be able to connect and collaborate with you directly on Family Search to create your family tree.

                                 

                                Diane - It looks like a lot of the screen shots were deleted after I uploaded them.  If you need them to continue, let me know and I will try to duplicate.

                                -Bruce

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                                    Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                    Hi Bruce,

                                    I followed your instructions and created an account on FamilySearch.  My user name is Bobcat1962.

                                     

                                    I have saved every post you, Rene, Elliot, Billie and a couple of others have sent.  I just wish there was some way I could "talk" to you and the above others.  When it comes to W.R's family there are just so many unknowns.  And now, finding out that my mother has lied about her family, I just don't know what to think.

                                    I will put in her sister and brothers, cousins, etc., but do you think I should hold off on his family?

                                     

                                    Thank you for always helping.

                                    Diane

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                                Billie Evans Newbie

                                Besides his full name, do you have his military ID number?   If you do not have his military ID number, do a military history search of the branch, etc of military groups was in that location in 1943.  Once you have a idea of what Unit  or Group he was in you can make guesses and request a daily sign in  log for the Unit you think he may have been in. 

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                                    Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                    Thank you so much for the information.  While the person you identified could not be my father, because he was a college graduate and born in California rather than North Dakota.  Also he identified his occupation on his marriage license and the 1940 Census as a Petroleum Engineer.  I will find out what military group was stationed in Iowa during 1943, but am unsure how to request a daily sign in log.  Is a sign in log like an attendance record?  Again, thank you so much for your help.

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                                      Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                      I have researched units based in or near Sioux City, but am unsure how or who to ask for the daily logs, etc. you suggested.  Your help is sincerely appreciated.

                                       

                                      Diane

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                                          Elliot Schneider Ranger

                                          Diane,

                                           

                                          The Morning Reports for WW2 military units are available only in St. Louis, MO. Additionally College Park, MA may hold if you knew the unit he was in may have separate unit daily logs at the regimental level. You may want to see this please follow the link below. This may be your Grandfather?  Also do you know when your Grandmother Emma had passed? I found this on Emma

                                           

                                          Name:Emma M Nelson
                                          Event Type:Death
                                          Event Date:02 Feb 1966
                                          Event Place:Los Angeles, California, United States
                                          Birth Date:15 Dec 1873
                                          Birthplace:Norway
                                          Gender:Female

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                          Name:Roy (Nilsen, Nielson) Nelson
                                          Event Type:Death
                                          Event Date:22 Sep 1948
                                          Event Place:Hastings, Dakota, Minnesota, United States
                                          Event Place (Original):Hastings, Minnesota
                                          Gender:Male
                                          Age:75
                                          Birth Date:1872
                                          Birthplace:Norway
                                          Certificate Number:3655

                                           

                                           

                                          https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/119182496/roy-nilson

                                           

                                           

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                                              Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                              Gosh Elliot, you definitely found my grandmother, but I don't think that was my grandfather.  I know his job was to build bridges, probably for the city and/or state, and she was a housewife.  I can't imagine that they would relocate Minnesota and then she would move back to Los Angeles. William R. was their only child and, unless, he was back in L.A. by 1948, she would have no relatives there.  Not sure how to go about finding out if that is his father.

                                               

                                              I have tried to find out about William R., the navigator, without luck.  I guess I am just very unsure what to do or where to look.  I am going to call the V.A. in California and ask if they have any suggestions.  If you have any other ideas, please let me know.

                                               

                                              You have found out more than I have in 50 years.  I am so so very grateful for your help.

                                              Diane

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                                                  Grace Yuhasz Adventurer

                                                  There is a discrepancy between the info on the Iowa Marriage Record and the 1940 Census mentioned above.

                                                   

                                                  William Neilson, on the 1940 census, lived at 2251 East 23rd St., Signal Hill, Los Angeles, CA.  He said he lived in Oakland, Alameda, California in 1935.

                                                   

                                                  On 16 Oct 1940, William Neilson, Jr, at the same address, filled out his World War II draft card.   He was born on 20 Feb 1916 in San Francisco, CA.  He worked for Shell Oil Company.  His father was William Neilson of Oakland, CA.     (On Ancestry.com)

                                                   

                                                  The U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 for William Neilson, Jr states he was born in San Francisco and his parents were William Neilson and Jeanette Sherwood.   He died in 1996.  (On Ancestry.com)

                                                   

                                                  I did not locate another record that mentions Roy and Emma together, so can’t help you with any more information.  Unfortunately, there are a lot of William R. Nelsons (and variations) out there, so your trail is definitely a challenging one.

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                                                      Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                      Yes, William and his parents lived in Oakland in 1935, but once he graduated from college I guess he moved to Signal Hill.  I don't understand why he lived in Long Beach and worked for Shell Oil in Long Beach.  I very much appreciate your help.  I'm frustrated because I can't seem to figure out what to do next--probably because my very elderly brain doesn't work like it use to.  Still, I work on this every day and try to follow through with all the suggestion offered.  If you have any suggestions please let me know.  Again, thank you so much.

                                                       

                                                      Diane

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                                                      Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                      Diane,

                                                      After your latest comment about your belief that the William R. Neilson in Signal Hill, LA, CA in the 1940 census being your father, I went back to the beginning of this post to look at all info that has been posted to date.

                                                      Regarding Post #20 in reply to Elliot, you said"

                                                      "Gosh Elliot, you definitely found my grandmother, but I don't think that was my grandfather.  I know his job was to build bridges, probably for the city and/or state, and she was a housewife."

                                                      I don't know about Roy or Ray Nelson, but Amund Larson was the bridge builder in your family.  His obituary from 1928 clearly states that he was working on bridge construction when he passed away.

                                                      Also, in Post #24, this particular William R. Neilson was determined not to be your father due to his place of birth and his parents names.

                                                      -Bruce

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                                                          Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                          I am attaching what Rene sent plus what I had found earlier.

                                                          I will write more about all this later.

                                                           

                                                          Diane

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                                                              Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                              I did not hear from Jim today, as hoped.  He was going to try to talk to Mary Tedei, who would know more about when they celebrated their anniversary and where they were married.  He was also going to contact Pam.  Maaybe one of them was unreachable over the weekend.  I will be away from home most of the day tomorrow (Tuesday), so if I don't hear from him by Wednesday, I'll call.

                                                               

                                                              I don't know if the Emma in Westminster is my father's mother, but I am sure she is the one who died in Long Beach.  Melstry is not a common name, so I have felt this must be his mother.  When I started tracking William R, by the 1940 Census, I ended up with a William Nelson, who lived in Palo Alto, California during the 1950s, but he wasn't my father.

                                                              His parents names were both different, etc.  At that point, I was being encouraged to put together a family tree by a number of members, saying that would be the best way to identify my father.  So that is what I have been doing.  In focusing on my tree, I forgot about the Signal Hill Nelson.

                                                               

                                                              Diane

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                                                                Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                Diane,

                                                                RE: Post 133 Images - 1940 Census and William R. Neilson's Story

                                                                 

                                                                In regards to these two items, are they supposed to be all a part of William R. Neilson's story?

                                                                If so, is this backed up by source citations?

                                                                I sincerely have my doubts that the 1940 Census and this story including Roy Nelson and Emma Melstry as parents is correct.  For one, they change his last name from Neilson to Nelson in the same document.  There was NO William R. Nelson living in Signal Hill at the same address as William R. Neilson was living at.

                                                                I have no doubts that the William R. Neilson of Signal Hill living at that address was NOT the son of Roy and Emma.  There is abundant proof he was the son of William Neilson and Jeannette Sherwood and was born in San Francisco on 20 Feb 1916.  Also, he married a Betty Lenore Lawry on 5 May 1942 in the Los Angeles area which ties with his Signal Hill location in the draft card and the 1940 Census.  There is a 1930 Census showing the family living in San Francisco.  In1936 he was at the Univ.of CA. at Berkeley studying engineering.  He passed away in 1996 in Colorado.

                                                                 

                                                                There is also a family tree on Ancestry.com that details out this William R. Neilson, Jr. with source citations.  It is called the Norman Gove Family Tree.  I have checked the sources and they appear to tie together nicely as his name never changes and the moves from SF to Oakland, right next door to Berkeley, to Signal Hill in LA to work as a petroleum engineer all make sense.  If you have access to Ancestry.com, do a search for William R. Neilson and the family tree should show up in the results. 

                                                                 

                                                                If you still have access to the www.archive.org site for the images you submitted, you may want to check to see if they have solid, believable sources, especially for the birth of William to Roy and Emma.  I would be interested in seeing the marriage register, license or certificate as proof.

                                                                -Bruce

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                                                      Jason Atkinson Ranger

                                                      Dear Ms. Schwaighofer,

                                                       

                                                      Thank you for posting your request on History Hub!

                                                       

                                                      We suggest that you request a copy of his Official Military Personnel File (OMPF). OMPFs and individual medical reports for those who served in the U.S. Armed Forces and who were separated from the service prior to 1958 are in the custody of NARA's National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis. In many cases where Army and Army Air Corps personnel records were destroyed in the 1973 fire, proof of service can be provided from other records such as morning reports, payrolls, and military orders, and a certificate of military service will be issued. Navy and Marine Corps OMPFs were not affected by the fire. Please complete a GSA Standard Form 180 and mail it to NARA's National Personnel Records Center, (Military Personnel Records), 1 Archives Drive, St. Louis, MO  63138-1002. If there is any information requested by the form that you do not know, you may omit it or provide estimates (such as for dates), but the more information you provide, the easier it will be to locate the correct file if it survived the fire. For more information see Official Military Personnel Files (OMPF), Archival Records Requests.

                                                       

                                                      Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, the NPRC is closed except for emergencies. Currently, NPRC will continue servicing requests ONLY associated with medical treatments, burials, and homeless veterans seeking admittance to a homeless shelter. If your request is urgent, please see Emergency Requests and Deadlines. Please refrain from submitting non-emergency requests such as replacement medals, administrative corrections, or records research until NPRC returns to pre-COVID staffing levels. Please check archives.gov/veterans for updates to the NPRC operating hours and status. We apologize for any inconvenience.

                                                       

                                                      We hope this is helpful. Best of luck with your family research!

                                                       

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                                                          Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                          Thank you so much for reaching out to me with suggestions as to how to find my father.  I printed out a SF180 several months ago, but it states that I "must provide proof of death."  I have no way of doing that, so I have just held onto the form hoping that I might gain that information some day. If you can think of anything else I might try, please let me know.  Again, thank you for your help.

                                                           

                                                          Diane

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                                                              Jason Atkinson Ranger

                                                              Dear Ms. Schwaighofer,

                                                               

                                                              Thank you for posting your follow-up request on History Hub!

                                                              Proof of death is not required to submit your request. If the person you are researching separated from service more than 62 years ago, then his entire file is open to the public.  If he separated less than 62 years ago, you may still request the file and, if it is located, some information can be released to you. Without proof of death, there may be some information withheld under the terms of the Freedom of Information Act.


                                                              Also, please note that both William Nelson and William Neilson were exceptionally common names, and we can not guarantee that any of the individuals with that name located by previous posters are necessarily a match for your father.

                                                               

                                                              We hope this is helpful. Best of luck with your family research!

                                                               

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                                                            Billie Evans Newbie

                                                            Diane:   if you want to try to locate/contact any of your father's relatives, you should order a DNA kit from Ancestry,  23 and Me or Family Tree, etc.  Do a web search and decide which you like.   They are just mouth swaps or spit.  Results are usually back within about 6 weeks.  The web sites will provide more info.  It is a good possibility there will a list of  relatives.   Good luck!

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                                                                Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                Hi Billie,

                                                                Thank you for your on-going help.  I did do the DNA kit, but it didn't help me or I just don't know how to use the results.  I already knew about my mother and all her relatives.  She was an only child.  Both her siblings died shortly after birth.  I am going to take a look at the 1930 Census to see if William R. had any siblings.  Ancestry provided nothing I didn't already know and had no hints as to how to locate my father.  I am also going to contact the VA in California to see if they can help.

                                                                If you can think of anything else I might do, please let me know.  Again, thanks for your help.

                                                                Diane

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                                                                Billie Evans Newbie

                                                                Diane:  So, all the DNA results were just on your mother's side of the family?  Since you do not think any of the information so far has been your father, you should try to obtain the daily roster or payroll records (roll call).   This site will not allow me to upload a PDF document so you could see the information that is provided.  My information came from the National Personnel Records Center.

                                                                 

                                                                My Dad was listed on the daily roster and on the Payroll list.   Name and Service number.  Be sure in your letter to state the date (e.g. November 1943) and this is a "Freedom of Information Request".  I obtained my information in 1993-1994, so you will need to get updated information on making the request.

                                                                 

                                                                I also found in my records from 1994, that the American Legion - Finders/Seekers would help locate veterans.    The number for them at that time was 1-800-449-8387.  I had found my father by then and never tried their services.  I do not know if this service is still available.

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                                                                  Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                  Diane,

                                                                  I've been following this thread and can sympathize with your frustration.  However, there are many out there that you can reach out to.  A good place to start are with these sites:

                                                                  https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/When-why-and-how-to-hire-a-Professional-Genealogist-1460088592248-2563

                                                                  https://www.familytreemagazine.com/hiring-a-pro/3-tips-hiring-professional-trustworthy-genealogist/

                                                                  Good luck and best wishes on your family history research.

                                                                   

                                                                  -Bruce

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                                                                    • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                      Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                      Thank you for reaching out to me.  In younger years I tried several of the ancestry groups and had a DNA test done.  I found out about many ancestors, but none of that explains why my father just disappeared.  I can't afford to hire a professional, so I have to do this myself.  Unfortunately, I have never found out if my father came back from the service, or if he divorced mother without her knowledge, did he remarry,etc, etc.  I have contacted every military agency and organization I can think of.  Tonight I wrote a letter to the California Department of Health to try and find out if they have any record of his death.  If my father came back, he never knew about me and I have no idea what he even looked like.  So, I wrote the Univ. of California at Berkeley's Librarian asking if they have pictures of alumni between 1934-39.  He got a degree in Petroleum Engineering, so I asked who I might contact about students in that program during those years.

                                                                       

                                                                      Again, thank you and all who are helping.  It is definitely frustrating and disappointing.

                                                                      Diane

                                                                        • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                          Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                          Diane,

                                                                          I believe that, except for the great suggestions on finding military records, that many of the findings so far are incorrect.

                                                                          I, like you, was able to find some basic information on your mother, Iona Louise Larson, such as her 1925 birth certificate, the 1930 and 1940 Census', and the marriage license to a William R Nelson on Nov 12, 1943 all in Sioux City.  William notes on the license that he was born in and a resident of Los Angeles, CA and that his occupation was US Service.  He did not say he was Army or any particular branch or that he was a petroleum engineer.

                                                                          Between 1914 and 1918 there were almost 1000 William Nelson's born in the US and 36 in CA.  However, I could find no evidence he lived in Los Angeles or was born there and no evidence anywhere in the country that a William Nelson was born to an Emma Melstry and/or Roy or Roger Nelson including variations of the names.

                                                                           

                                                                          If you go back to what you have actual evidence for and publish that information to this site, it will help yourself and everyone else who is assisting you.

                                                                           

                                                                          I recommend you fill in a Basic Pedigree Chart and a Family Group Sheet as much as you can and post it to this site.  Free templates can be found at the National Genealogical Society's website: Free Charts and Templates - National Genealogical Society (ngsgenealogy.org)

                                                                          In filling out the pedigree chart, start with yourself and work backwards as far as you can.  Make notes next to each item as to what evidence you have to corroborate that piece of data.  For example, you should have your birth certificate showing both your mother and father's name and residence.  If you do not have that, then you should obtain it.  If all you have is something your mother or grandparents told you, note it as "oral history".  As a point of fact, I could find no birth indexes or references to you as Diane Nelson or Diane Larson with Ione Louise as your mother.  That doesn't mean much at this point but it may be a clue.  It does appear she remarried sometime before 1964 to a gentleman by the last name of Tedei according the Social Security records.  However, I could find no marriage info although I did not try real hard.

                                                                           

                                                                          When filling out the sheets please enter the data as follows:

                                                                          • Do not abbreviate names, dates and places.
                                                                          • Enter the full name: first, middle, and last.
                                                                          • Enter the last name (surname) first: BROWN, William Sylvester
                                                                          • For women, supply the full maiden name, not a married name.
                                                                          • Write dates in this format: Day-Month-Year (e.g., 12 October 1989).
                                                                          • Enter full place names: City, County, State (e.g., Mineola, Nassau, New York).

                                                                          If you do this, it will put all the starting information in one place and help everyone.

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                                                                            • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                              Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                              Thank you for the information you gathered.  I have a copy of the 1940 Census that identified his parents as William Roy and Emma Melstry Neilson.  Also on his enlistment card he identified his father  as William Neilson.

                                                                              In 1940 he had graduated from college and was living in Signal Hill, California working for Shell Oil company.

                                                                              I reviewed his marriage license to my mother.  It identifies his parents as Roy and Emma Nelson.  I think he started using the Americanized spelling of Neilson after he entered the service.  William R is a Jr.  I compared the signatures on his enlistment card and his marriage license.  They are the same.  I do have a copy of my birth certificate and he is listed as William R. Nelson.  My mother died believing he deserted us and would not talk much about him.  So, until I got out on my own, I knew next to nothing.  I really don't think she knew him long enough to know much about him.  I think it was a War Time Quickie.

                                                                               

                                                                              I will take advantage of your recommendation of getting templates from the National Genealogical Society.

                                                                              Again, thank you for your help.

                                                                               

                                                                              Diane

                                                                                • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                  Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                  Diane,

                                                                                  I looked at the 1940 US Census that you mention and that Elliott Schneider posted above.  It doesn't say anything about his parents.

                                                                                  Can you give us more information on the 1940 Census that you have?  Things like a link to the actual site and image or at least the full address and exact spelling of the name on the census and who else was living at the same address.  If your census has his parents listed at the same address, then Elliot and I are looking at the wrong document so we will need more info to try to trace this down.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Further, this William Neilson's draft registration card says he was born in San Francisco while his marriage license says he was born in Los Angeles.  His draft registration card says his mother's maiden name is Sherwood.  These type of discrepancies indicate we are not looking at your father.

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                                                                                    • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                      Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                      I do not have a copy of his draft registration card, only  the Registrar's Report, where he registered or enlisted.

                                                                                      It lists his father ("the person who will always know your address") as William Neilson.  It gives his parents' address as 653 Chestnut St, Oakland California. His address was 2251 East 23rd in Signal Hill, California.  No one was living with him.   It lists Shell Oil Co., in Long Beach, as his employer.  The signature on this card seems the same as the marriage application.  The Census, that I saw ,was in my local library before I had access to a computer.  I wrote down the information contained on it.  It gave the same Signal Hill address and his occupation as engineer.  On his marriage application he stated Emma Melstry as his mother, but his mother's name wasn't asked for on his Registrar's Report..  I don't know if these numbers are of importance or not, but on the Registration Card it lists his serial number as 2438 and his order number as 2688.  I have never seen the name Sherwood anywhere, so I'm wondering if Emma was his step-mother.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      It seems he changed his name from Neilson to Nelson prior to when he met and married my mother, because he used Nelson on the marriage license and my mother signed her name as Mrs. William R. Nelson on my birth certificate.  On my birth certificate it also lists his birthplace as Los Angeles, that his employer was the government and his postal address as the U.S. Army. It also states his occupation as an engineer.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      It's getting to the point I don't know what to think!  I don't know if this will help you and Elliot, my God-sends, or not.  My parents married November, 1943.  He shipped out in Dec. of 1943 or January, 1944.  My mother had no living relatives at that point, and was only 20; so she decided to enlist in the WAC.  Her serial number was

                                                                                      A702983.  She enlisted at Des Moines, Iowa, Feb.22,1944.Her group (I guess) was  Sec C 3008th AAF (PS,B)

                                                                                      She suspected she was pregnant in early March and was discharged June 26, 1944.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I wish I had more to information, but I think I have divulged everything I know.  I asked Elliott if pictures were taken at any point to identify individual soldiers and, if so, where I might seek his.  Do you know?

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Thank you for your ongoing help.

                                                                                      Diane

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                                                                                        • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                          Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                          Diane,

                                                                                          Thanks for the reply for more info.

                                                                                          I've inserted a picture of the two signatures.  The top one is his draft registration card and the lower is the marriage license.  The two signatures do not match:  The capital W and N, the lower case l, m, o and n are all quite different.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          Compare signature of William Neilson/Nelson on draft registration vs. marriage license.

                                                                                          In addition, the marriage certificate says he was born in Los Angeles and resided there whereas the draft card says he was born in San Francisco.  Let us assume that the two Williams were telling the truth on both documents, so the only conclusion is they are not the same person.

                                                                                          William Neilson Draft Registration Card

                                                                                          William Nelson and Ione Louise Larson Marriage License

                                                                                          With common names your confusion is very understandable.  Genealogy research requires careful, cross checking of all documents to ensure they create a logical, unambiguous connection.

                                                                                          My advice it to drop William Neilson, Jr. from your search as there are too many inconsistencies between the two including his mother's maiden name of Sherwood.   Your thought that maybe Emma was a stepmother may have some merit and that is easily checked through vital records (death or divorce of Sherwood and marriage to Emma). That is why I recommend you complete a pedigree chart and/or a family group chart to document what you know based on documents you know are correct such as the marriage license and your birth certificate along with your mother's known ancestors and whatever your mother told you about your father although that will need to be verified by other means.  If you were to hire a professional genealogist, they would be asking you to do this as a starting point for their research.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          One final question, "Do you have a photo of your father?  Perhaps a marriage photo?".  Later today I will be taking a seminar on researching military records sponsored by the Family History Centers/Library.  I hope to be able to find out if the services took pictures of soldiers and if they are available which might help a lot.  If you do have one, try comparing it to some of the pictures that others have found such as the navigator officer in the group photo.

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                                                                                            • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                              Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                              Diane,

                                                                                              Have you tried reaching out to Bill Beigel who is a WWII researcher?

                                                                                              He can be found at https://www.ww2research.com/

                                                                                              He has a form at his website where you submit a request for information.

                                                                                              -Bruce

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                                                                                                • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                  Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                  Diane,

                                                                                                  I just finished a Family History Center webinar on military records.

                                                                                                  Photos are generally not included in any official documents but may be found in unit histories, newspapers, etc.

                                                                                                  One thing I did learn was that the free FamilySearch website offers free consultations on how to find information.  If you have not tried this before, go to //www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Virtual_Research_Strategy_Sessions and sign up for a session.  Do have your family group and pedigree chart available and filled out as I noted above as they will expect that as a starting point.

                                                                                                  -Bruce

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                                                                                                    • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                      Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                      My mother was so hurt and angry that she destroyed the only 2 pictures she had of him.  I am disappointed that they didn't take pictures for identification purposes.  I have no idea what he looked like.  Since everything I believed to be true appears to be false, I really don't know what else to do.  I can't afford to hire anyone to do the research for me.  And, if the William R is not the one who enlisted at Long Beach, was not an engineer, did not work for Shell Oil prior to the war, etc., etc., then I have no credible information about my father or any idea where else to look.  Probably the best thing I can do is forget the whole thing.  I have been involved with web sites such as Family Search, Ancestry, done a DNA through Cryogenics,Newspapers, Find a Grave, etc. All the information I have came from them.  Thank you for your ongoing help and support.  I just don't know what to think right now.

                                                                                                      Diane

                                                                                                        • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                          Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                          Diane,

                                                                                                          With historical records all over the place it makes it very difficult to find that one piece of information you need. Earlier, I sent you a recommendation to consult with the Family Search folks on a free virtual consultation.  It cannot hurt. Also, have you tried the website Fold3, Fold3 - Historical military records ?  They are the largest online repository of military records.  They offer a free trial membership and the monthly cost after that is very reasonable if you are interested.  However, the free time will likely be enough for you since you are searching for a single individual.

                                                                                                          I do not have a membership so cannot help you other than to say they showed 16 William Nelson's stationed at Sioux City, Iowa during WWII.

                                                                                                          Also, Elliott suggested you contact the records center in St. Louis for the Morning Reports which is a good place to start.

                                                                                                           

                                                                                                          Also, have you considered that he may have been stationed somewhere nearby other than Sioux City? Sioux Falls, SD had an Army Air Force base also as well as Scribner, NE.  Both are between 1 and 2 hour drive from Sioux City.  There were a lot of bases in Iowa, South Dakota and Nebraska for flight training and support.  That would at least narrow it down.

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                                                                                                          • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                            Elliot Schneider Ranger

                                                                                                            Diane,

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                            Also found some William R. Neilson That are tied to California please see them below I've noticed that from what you provided earlier as a birth of 1916 he may have given wrong birth, unless you are able to confirm either by birth certificate or 1920, 1930 census. The first one that I have listed seems a good fit civilian occupation skilled trades or repairs. Second one I have shared says civilian occupation as a lawyer.

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                            You mentioned your family may have Norwegian ties have you reached out to the  Norwegian Archives  https://www.arkivverket.no/en/find-your-ancestors

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                            https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/search/persons?s=Neilson

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                            ARMY SERIAL NUMBER1917454319174543
                                                                                                            NAMENEILSON#WILLIAM#R#######NEILSON#WILLIAM#R#######
                                                                                                            RESIDENCE: STATE91CALIFORNIA
                                                                                                            RESIDENCE: COUNTY037LOS ANGELES
                                                                                                            PLACE OF ENLISTMENT9141LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA
                                                                                                            DATE OF ENLISTMENT DAY2424
                                                                                                            DATE OF ENLISTMENT MONTH1010
                                                                                                            DATE OF ENLISTMENT YEAR4242
                                                                                                            GRADE: ALPHA DESIGNATIONPVT#Private
                                                                                                            GRADE: CODE8Private
                                                                                                            BRANCH: ALPHA DESIGNATIONAC#Air Corps
                                                                                                            BRANCH: CODE20Air Corps
                                                                                                            FIELD USE AS DESIRED##
                                                                                                            TERM OF ENLISTMENT5Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
                                                                                                            LONGEVITY######
                                                                                                            SOURCE OF ARMY PERSONNEL0Civil Life
                                                                                                            NATIVITY91CALIFORNIA
                                                                                                            YEAR OF BIRTH2424
                                                                                                            RACE AND CITIZENSHIP1White, citizen
                                                                                                            EDUCATION33 years of high school
                                                                                                            CIVILIAN OCCUPATION783Semiskilled mechanics and repairmen, n.e.c.
                                                                                                            MARITAL STATUS6Single, without dependents
                                                                                                            COMPONENT OF THE ARMY6Army of the United States - includes the following: Voluntary enlistments effective December 8, 1941 and thereafter; One year enlistments of National Guardsman whose State enlistment expires while in the Federal Service; Officers appointed in the Army of the United States under Army Regulations 605-10
                                                                                                            CARD NUMBER##
                                                                                                            BOX NUMBER03170317
                                                                                                            FILM REEL NUMBER3.39#3.39#

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                            Field TitleValueMeaning
                                                                                                            ARMY SERIAL NUMBER3944607839446078
                                                                                                            NAMENEILSON#WILLIAM#R#######NEILSON#WILLIAM#R#######
                                                                                                            RESIDENCE: STATE91CALIFORNIA
                                                                                                            RESIDENCE: COUNTY001ALAMEDA
                                                                                                            PLACE OF ENLISTMENT9145CP BEALE MARYSVILLE CALIFORNIA
                                                                                                            DATE OF ENLISTMENT DAY1818
                                                                                                            DATE OF ENLISTMENT MONTH0808
                                                                                                            DATE OF ENLISTMENT YEAR4545
                                                                                                            GRADE: ALPHA DESIGNATIONPVT#Private
                                                                                                            GRADE: CODE8Private
                                                                                                            BRANCH: ALPHA DESIGNATIONNO#No branch assignment
                                                                                                            BRANCH: CODE02No branch assignment
                                                                                                            FIELD USE AS DESIRED##
                                                                                                            TERM OF ENLISTMENT5Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
                                                                                                            LONGEVITY######
                                                                                                            SOURCE OF ARMY PERSONNEL0Civil Life
                                                                                                            NATIVITY91CALIFORNIA
                                                                                                            YEAR OF BIRTH2727
                                                                                                            RACE AND CITIZENSHIP1White, citizen
                                                                                                            EDUCATION44 years of high school
                                                                                                            CIVILIAN OCCUPATION022Lawyers and judges
                                                                                                            MARITAL STATUS6Single, without dependents
                                                                                                            COMPONENT OF THE ARMY7Selectees (Enlisted Men)
                                                                                                            CARD NUMBER##
                                                                                                            BOX NUMBER14351435
                                                                                                            FILM REEL NUMBER7.7##7.7##

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                            Hope this helps,

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                            Elliot Schneider

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                                                                                                            • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                              Elliot Schneider Ranger

                                                                                                              Diane,

                                                                                                               

                                                                                                              I think I found your father. this is a yearbook from Piedmont High School senior class 1932. Look in the description he belonged to a Engineering club in high school maybe coincident but it all matches up including the ww2 registers card I sent you. (Make sure you click on image to make larger).

                                                                                                               

                                                                                                              Field Title

                                                                                                              Value

                                                                                                              Meaning

                                                                                                              ARMY SERIAL NUMBER3944607839446078
                                                                                                              NAMENEILSON#WILLIAM#R#######NEILSON#WILLIAM#R#######
                                                                                                              RESIDENCE: STATE91CALIFORNIA
                                                                                                              RESIDENCE: COUNTY001ALAMEDA
                                                                                                              PLACE OF ENLISTMENT9145CP BEALE MARYSVILLE CALIFORNIA
                                                                                                              DATE OF ENLISTMENT DAY1818
                                                                                                              DATE OF ENLISTMENT MONTH0808
                                                                                                              DATE OF ENLISTMENT YEAR4545
                                                                                                              GRADE: ALPHA DESIGNATIONPVT#Private
                                                                                                              GRADE: CODE8Private
                                                                                                              BRANCH: ALPHA DESIGNATIONNO#No branch assignment
                                                                                                              BRANCH: CODE02No branch assignment
                                                                                                              FIELD USE AS DESIRED##
                                                                                                              TERM OF ENLISTMENT5Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
                                                                                                              LONGEVITY######
                                                                                                              SOURCE OF ARMY PERSONNEL0Civil Life
                                                                                                              NATIVITY91CALIFORNIA
                                                                                                              YEAR OF BIRTH2727
                                                                                                              RACE AND CITIZENSHIP1White, citizen
                                                                                                              EDUCATION44 years of high school
                                                                                                              CIVILIAN OCCUPATION022Lawyers and judges
                                                                                                              MARITAL STATUS6Single, without dependents
                                                                                                              COMPONENT OF THE ARMY7Selectees (Enlisted Men)
                                                                                                              CARD NUMBER##
                                                                                                              BOX NUMBER14351435
                                                                                                              FILM REEL NUMBER7.7##7.7##

                                                                                                               



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                                                                                                                • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                  Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                                  Enlistment year is 1945.  Not him unless it is a re-enlistment.

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                                                                                                                    • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                      Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                      Hi Bruce,

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      Look what I found in fold3

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      Index record for

                                                                                                                      Nelson, William R

                                                                                                                      U.S. WWII Hospital Admission Card Files, 1942-1954

                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                      Full Name:
                                                                                                                      Nelson, William R
                                                                                                                      Race:
                                                                                                                      White, includes Mexican
                                                                                                                      Admission Date:
                                                                                                                      Nov 1944
                                                                                                                      Admission Type of Injury:
                                                                                                                      Casualty, battle
                                                                                                                      Military Service Number:
                                                                                                                      37730515
                                                                                                                      Rank:
                                                                                                                      Enlisted Man
                                                                                                                      Branch:
                                                                                                                      Infantry, General or Unspecified
                                                                                                                      Injured in Line of Duty:
                                                                                                                      In line of duty
                                                                                                                      Medical Diagnosis:
                                                                                                                      FirstLocation: Wrist; CausativeAgent: Artillery Shell, Fragments, Afoot or unspecified
                                                                                                                      Discharge Type:
                                                                                                                      Duty
                                                                                                                      Discharge Date:
                                                                                                                      Nov 1944
                                                                                                                      Conflict Period:
                                                                                                                      World War II
                                                                                                                      Served for:
                                                                                                                      United States of America
                                                                                                                      Don't know if this is him or not, but the time line is right and it would sure explain why she never heard from him after he "shipped out."  I'm going to do some more exploring on fold 3.
                                                                                                                      Thanks for all you are doing for me.
                                                                                                                      Diane
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                                                                                                                        • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                          Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                                          Diane,

                                                                                                                          Start by working BACKWARDS in time. With his service number you can now find all kinds of records during his term of service and even after.

                                                                                                                          Start by tracing back to where he was stationed before being sent overseas.

                                                                                                                          1. Was he anywhere near Iowa in late 1943?

                                                                                                                          2. If he married while in the service, he is supposed to have received permission first from his commanding officer.  Are there records of that and if so, who did he marry and when?

                                                                                                                          3. What do his enlistment records say about him?

                                                                                                                          a. Residence?

                                                                                                                          b. Year enlisted?

                                                                                                                          c. Age & Birthday?

                                                                                                                          d. Where born?

                                                                                                                          e. Parents, closest living relatives?

                                                                                                                          f. Education/skills?

                                                                                                                          4. Based on what you find above, especially in terms of residence and age, then go back and look at US Census records for 1940 to see if they confirm the same info on name, residence, age, possibly parents, and if lucky siblings.  The '40 census often asks where they were in 1935 so follow up on that information.

                                                                                                                          5. Check the 1930 census if you have any clues from the 1940 or 1935 that points to where he was in 1930.

                                                                                                                          6. Again, using the military records, then go back to Family Search of Ancestry (at a local library for free access) to find marriage information for parents and birth records for those parents.

                                                                                                                          7.  Search the 1920 Census based on date & place of birth records (assuming he was born about 1916).

                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                          If he did not lie on his marriage license then the above information should tie to the marriage license.  I would not worry about exact dates of birth & residence just so long as they are within a few years of being correct. Like your mother, many people lied or were mistaken about their age for various reasons such as lack of records, adoption, death of parents in early age, etc.

                                                                                                                          Keep your hopes and emotions in check and follow the clues until you have multiple items that tie together and consistently point to your father.

                                                                                                                          If he did lie on his marriage license for whatever reason then the problem may be intractable without other corroborating evidence.

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                                                                                                                      • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                        Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                                        Also, military record says this person was born in 1927, so he couldn't have graduated from high school in 1932 but it does line up with an enlistment year of 1945 when he was 18 years old.

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                                                                                                                          • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                            Elliot Schneider Ranger

                                                                                                                            Bruce,

                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                            What stuck me with the high school photo was what it mentioned what he did in high school. " Engineering Club" I thought how interesting yet maybe a coincident. Diane really would help if we had a correct DOB but since all these William R. Nelsons or Neilsons dont have any 1916 DOB it makes me wonder if that is truly his DOB.

                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                            Elliot

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                                                                                                                              • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                Hi Elliot,

                                                                                                                                I wish I had an actual date of birth rather than just a year.  My mother lied about her age to be able to marry him in Iowa.  She was 18, not 21, so who knows about my father.  The marriage license says he's 25 which, if a true age, he would have been born in 1917 or 1918.  I found a William R. who was injured in WWII, resulting in his discharge.  It gave his serial number, but it wasn't him.  Quite frankly I am beginning to wonder if he was actually in the military or employed by the government.  My mother said he was in the military, but she never said what branch.  She said he, "shipped out," which I took to mean the army.  I always thought if he was in the air force, she would have said he flew out.  I did find his mother's year and date of birth.  Born 1873  Died 1966.  I haven't tried to find ROY.  There's just too many Roys.  I have looked in  GeneologyBank for Emma's obituary.  I can't find it.  I called the cemetery where she's burried, but they had no information.  I noticed, some time ago, that it said employer was: The U.S. Service.  Maybe he worked for the government but wasn't a soldier.  I have no idea how to find out.  Currently, I am trying to find him on the 1930 Census.  Maybe the one in 1940 wasn't him.  If I can find Emma and Roy on the 1930 Census, he should be living with them.  I am just lost as how to do all this.

                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                Hope all this makes some kind of sense.

                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                Diane

                                                                                                                                • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                  Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                                                  Elliot,

                                                                                                                                  Yes, very likely a coincidence.  There is a very readable book by David Hand about things like this that explains a lot.  It's called "The Improbability Principle" with a subtitle of "Why Coincidences, Miracles, and Rare Events Happen Every Day".

                                                                                                                                  Finally, Diane's assumption about her father being an engineer is based on tenuous data from the 1940 census which was not likely her father after all as it does not tie to the marriage license nor does it tie to both of his parents' names on the license.

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                                                                                                                                    • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                      Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                      Bruce-- and Elliot

                                                                                                                                      At this point I agree that the man on the 1940 Census is not my father.  I am following your recommendations.

                                                                                                                                      One positive:  I found the grave of my father's mother, Emma Melstry Neilson, and her birth date (12/15/1873),

                                                                                                                                      and her date of death (02/02/1966.  She died in Long Beach, California and was buried in Westminster Memorial Park (in Westminster, Orange Co. on 02/05/1966.  I have tried to find an obituary for her without luck at the funeral home.  The Westminster paper operating back then, evidently was bought out by another paper, so no help there.  Also I can't find her on the 1930 or 1940 Census.  Thought I might get some clue from the obituary about my father.  I will go to my local library and beg for help, because I'm probably doing it wrong.

                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                      At this point all I know is his name, parents' name, residence, employer (U.S. Service--was told this means he was in Army) age (25yrs) in 1943.  I am so disappointed.

                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                      Thanks for all both of you are doing.  I truly appreciate your help.

                                                                                                                                      Diane

                                                                                                                                        • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                          Elliot Schneider Ranger

                                                                                                                                          Diane,

                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                          I'm still convinced this is your father Williams dad. Especially since Emma and Roy  were both from Norway. Please see information again here.

                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                          Name:Roy (Nilsen, Nielson) Nelson
                                                                                                                                          Event Type:Death
                                                                                                                                          Event Date:22 Sep 1948
                                                                                                                                          Event Place:Hastings, Dakota, Minnesota, United States
                                                                                                                                          Event Place (Original):Hastings, Minnesota
                                                                                                                                          Sex:Male
                                                                                                                                          Age:75
                                                                                                                                          Birth Date:1872
                                                                                                                                          Birthplace:Norway
                                                                                                                                          Certificate Number:3655

                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                          Elliot Schneider

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                                                                                                                                            • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                              Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                              I think you are probably right.  I don't know that he and Emma were from Norway, but my mom described my father as a blue-eyed Scandinavian.  My mother's parents definitely were from Norway.  They immigrated here so he could work on the railroad.  I am going to see if I can find Roy's grave and death information. I don't know how the woman named Sherwood fits into the picture, but I don't think she would lead me to William R, so I'm not going to worry about that right now.  I would like to get an obituary for Emma, now that I know her exact date of death.  Maybe that will let me know if William out lived her and where he was residing at the time of her death.

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                              I get so frustrated trying to use the NPRC National Archives.  No matter what I do, I can't use it to find the information you and Bruce think might be there.  Today, I am going to try to find out what units were in or near Sioux City in the 1040s by calling each base and asking how to get that information besides NPRC.  If I can get the names of the units, then I can write for their Morning Rosters and Payroll Records.  Will probably be a long process, but I'm just seem to get to the appropriate place on their site to find the information you and Bruce suggested I look for.

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                              I want you to know that every thing you do and suggestion you make is most sincerely appreciated.  Please don't stop helping.

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                              Diane

                                                                                                                                                • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                  Elliot Schneider Ranger

                                                                                                                                                  Diane,

                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                  Many of these old army/Air Corps bases were shutdown after the war. But like I mentioned before they had the Sioux City Army Airbase, also Camp Dodge was in Johnston, IA mostly consisted of Iowa National Guard troops prior to them being federalized during the war. Additionally, you had Fort Des Moines During World War II, it was home to the first Women’s Army Auxiliary Corps. More than 72,000 women completed training in Des Moines to assist the military mission.

                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                  https://www.iowanationalguard.com/History/History/Pages/World-War-II.aspx

                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                  Hope this helps,

                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                  Elliot Schneider

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                                                                                                                                                      Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                      I am definitely checking out the air bases.  I'll check out the Des Moines base.  Maybe she trained there (less than 9 weeks) before being sent to Mentor Field in California for discharge.  I will check them out also to see if maybe William R. was part of one of the infantry troops that trained there.

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      Billie Evans contacted me, who found her father with far less information than I have, encouraging me and sharing some tips that helped her.  I am so grateful for everyone's help.  This is all so far over my head that I get really overwhelmed at times.

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      Diane

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                                                                                                                                                      • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                        Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                        I have tried to get information about the morning registers and payroll records.  I was told all were stored at the NPRC, so I sent an email to try and find out what type of form I needed to gather the information.  This is what I got back.

                                                                                                                                                        The National Archives and Records Administration has suspended reproduction and digitization services until further notice due to COVID-19 and will be closed beginning November 7th until further notice.  Any orders that have been placed will not be serviced until operations can resume safely.

                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                        Does this mean I am out of luck for months, if not a year or more.  If so, what to do now?

                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                        Diane

                                                                                                                                                  • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                    Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                    Diane,

                                                                                                                                                    If you believe this gravesite is your grandmother along with the California Death Index info below, I recommend you order a copy of the death certificate.  You can do that at L.A. COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH - Data Collection & Analysis or at the state's website at Vital Records Obtaining Certified Copies of Death Records (ca.gov)

                                                                                                                                                    The actual death certificate will have more information on it than the Index:

                                                                                                                                                     

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                                                                                                                                  • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                    Barbara Hall Wayfarer

                                                                                                                                      Nelson vs. Neilson. It appears his correct name was Nelson, however, it is quite possible that some Army clerk could have entered his name was Neilson. Therefore, all his military files were kept under that name.

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                                                                                                                        • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                          Rene Moreira Wayfarer

                                                                                                                          Dear Diane, dear Elliot and dear Bruce,

                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                          After reading the history you have been looking for your father for more then 50 years, I was so touched, that I would like kindly to ask if I could also help in your search?

                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                          I am Brazilian living in Austria since a long time and working with research/genealogy for many years. If you allow me, I would like to ask some questions:

                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                          1. For all that I could read and understand, just the marriage register is the one we are 100% sure it is from Mr. William R. Nelson, right?

                                                                                                                          2. His parents deaths registers look to be accurate too.

                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                          So, in my opinion, I would issue both deaths certificates to check what are written there (for example, in Brazil they write how many children the person had, if they left any assets or testament and many other information) and also the marriage certificate. Also in several countries you have to present a bunch of documents to be able to marry. I don't know how does it work in the US but in those countries these documents have be presented and the civil authority where the marriage was celebrate has to keep all these documents. So if is the case, you could ask not just for the marriage certificate, but the "marriage process" or "marriage folder", which will certainly include his birth certificate. Knowing that information we can also order a copy of his birth certificate and understand where and when he has born.

                                                                                                                          Another option is to look for their religious marriage, like church. Could you tell me which confession your family is? If we find it, we could compare it to the civil mariage register to see it there is any inconsistence. 

                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                          Another point is that nobody is looking for the arrival of the family in the US from Norway. This is important to know if he had brothers and sisters. If so, maybe we could go after them to understand what happened to him or get more information to continue the search.

                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                          I will search something about the arrival and if I find something I let you all know.

                                                                                                                          And finally I will try to find his birth register only with the information we have in the marriage register.

                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                          With best regards,

                                                                                                                          Rene Moreira

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                                                                                                                            • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                              Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                              Hi Rene,

                                                                                                                              I am thrilled to have your help.  I'm not very good with technology, so I rely on Elliot, Bruce, and Billie to guide me.  The marriage register is all that I know to be true--even that is not 100% accurate, because my mother lied about her age.  She was barely 18, not 21 when they married.  I really see no reason for him to lie, because a 19 or 20 year old claiming to be 25 just seems a little over the top.  My parents were married in a civil ceremony by a District Judge on 11/12/1943.  She was of the Lutheran Faith.  I have everything from immigration papers for my mother's parents to what relatives still live in Norway.  I have called Santa Ana,California Library where my grandmother's obituary is stored (if she has one) and am waiting for their reply.  I have also mailed a request to the Minnesota Department of Health to obtain a copy of Roy Nelson's death certificate.  I am also trying to find his grave, without any luck yet.  I will contact the court house where they were married and see where those marriage records are kept, if they were back then.  I have no idea where his parents immigrated from or even if they did immigrate.  My mother never met his parents, she said, and knew little about him.  Allegedly they dated only 2 or 3 months before marriage, then he shipped out right after that--probably in December 1944.

                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                              I will look forward to hearing from you if you find out anything.  I will definitely let you know if I find out about the marriage records or anything else of value.

                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                              I feel so blessed to have all of you wonderful people's help.

                                                                                                                              Diane

                                                                                                                                • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                  Grace Yuhasz Adventurer

                                                                                                                                  There are a lot of interesting possibilities being discussed, some of which may turn out to be correct.  Unfortunately, there is nothing, so far, to connect any of it to the only item you do have --  the Marriage Return in Woodbury County, Iowa.  (There is also the 15 November 1943 Des Moines Tribune which has a list of marriages, and includes your parents.  Their places of birth or residence was also included.  They were listed as William R. Nellson and Irene Louise Larson, so obviously accuracy wasn’t great.  This paper is found on Newspapers.com.)

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  I know you already confronted the fact that the information on the return may not be true. That is a wise way to look at it. Anything is possible.

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  For the moment, since it is the only thing you have to go on, let’s look at the return as if the info is correct.  IF (and that is a big "if") the information given was true (minus your mother’s age), here are some points you may want to consider:

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  --Name of William R. Nelson:

                                                                                                                                  That is how the name is spelled on the form and how he signed. It could be spelled differently at some other point, but it may not have been.  There are a lot of William R. Nelsons out there so going solely by the name is impractical.

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  --Occupation – “US Service”:

                                                                                                                                  I flipped through several of the Woodbury County marriage licenses before and after your parents’ marriage.  The forms seem to have been filled out by the officiant of the wedding (minister, judge, etc.).  (Your parents’ form may have been filled out by someone for the district judge, but the writer of the witness names matches the handwriting & pen of Judge D.C. Browning’s signature.)  The various records all included different information for a groom’s occupation. Some gave specific details of rank and service.  Others gave a more generic term, such as what was used for William.  So we can’t make a judgement call about whether he served or not base on the term “US Service”. 

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  Did your mother ever specifically mention anything about physically seeing your father in a uniform?   Maybe wearing it for the wedding?  That would tell you something.

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  --William’s Parents:

                                                                                                                                  Emma’s last name was indexed as Melstry.   That only means someone looked at the name and typed what they thought the name was.   It could be a number of other things.  It could be Metsky, with the “t” crossed to the right (like the word “District Judge”, written by the same person, at the bottom of the page).   Until there is corroborating evidence, all we can be sure of is it begins with “Me” and ends with a “y”. 

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  Be careful assuming anything about Roy and Emma as a couple.  Roy and Emma could have been married, and then shared a last name of Nelson.  They also may not have been married.  They may not have ever been enumerated together on a census. One or both of them could have died early in William’s life.  It could be the only link they had was William, so connecting them together would be difficult.  

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  This is not to discourage you.  It would be wise to stick with what you have, collect as much info as possible from it, then branch out from there.  That way you don’t spend time or money on something that isn’t helpful.

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  There are some things you might want to try:

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  ---Two witnesses to the marriage:

                                                                                                                                  Burgur [sic] C Carlson and Darlene Christensen.  Are you familiar with either of these names?   Were they relatives or friends?  They could just have been convenient people grabbed at the courthouse to serve as witnesses, but I lean away from that explanation because of the following:

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  Birger C Carlson and Darlene M Christensen married on 21 Dec 1943.  The same district judge who officiated at your parents’ marriage also officiated at this wedding. Your mother was a witness.  She gave her name as Ione Larson.  (On Ancestry.com, eighty-two pages after your parents.)

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  There are multiple records for these people.  I did a cursory look at them.

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  First Lieutenant Birger C. Carlson died in Germany on 22 Mar 1944.

                                                                                                                                  From Find-A-Grave:

                                                                                                                                  Birger served as a 1st Lieutenant and Pilot on B-17 (#42-31637), 333rd Bomber Squadron, 94th Bomber Group, Heavy, U.S. Army Air Forces during World War II.

                                                                                                                                  (This is most likely the unit he was serving with when he died.  There could be other units he served with.)

                                                                                                                                  https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/56357461/birger-c.-carlson

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  I suggest researching this couple, especially Birger.  Maybe the only connection between William and Birger was through your mother (maybe she and Darlene were friends, etc.).  There is also a possibility that William and Birger served in the same unit in the Iowa vicinity at some point.  Newspaper articles, obituaries, etc. from his Birger's home area may give info on units he served with.  This couple may also have family that could be contacted to see if they have info, photos, etc., that may help you.

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  ---Researching Woodbury County, Iowa

                                                                                                                                  -Contact the county district court, the State Archives, etc. to see if they have any other marriage-related forms or documents additional to the marriage return you already have

                                                                                                                                  -Contact local area historical/genealogical societies who may be able to give you information about available local records (such as the above question). 

                                                                                                                                  Here is a society I found online.  I don’t know anything about them.

                                                                                                                                  Woodbury County Genealogical Society

                                                                                                                                  https://sites.google.com/site/woodburycgs/home

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  -If you are on Facebook, there are probably groups that could help--genealogical groups from the area who may answer questions.

                                                                                                                                  -If you can find someone who could look at your DNA results, it might help to at least narrow down or exclude possibilities. 

                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                  You are doing the right thing--asking questions.  I hope you find the answer.

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                                                                                                                                    • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                      Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                      Thank you for all the information you provided.  My mother was Darlene's roommate, a year or two before she met William.  Darlene was dating Birger, but she never mentioned him and William being friends.  Mom and William didn't really date.  They met at some NCO Club.  I think she knew him about a month before they married.

                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                      I have contacted the District Court in Sioux City.  They had nothing, documentary, to go along with the marriage license, except a page that was filled out (printed) by William.  I don't know that Roger Roy is William's Father or Emma's Husband, but I do know that Emma's maiden name was MELSTRY.  The lady at the District Court's office contacted a friend at their VA, on my behalf, and asked if she would see if she could find out anything about William or what groups were training there in Sept.through November of 1943.

                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                      If this Roy is Williams father, he died in 1948, where as Emma died in 1966.  I am waiting to hear from the librarian, who works as a researcher in Santa Ana Public Library, to see if there is an obituary for Emma.

                                                                                                                                      I should hear by early next week I think.  I will definitely follow up on your suggestions.  I will also try to find an obituary for Roger Roy.  I have already sent for a death certificate.

                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                      Again thank you for your interest and help.

                                                                                                                                      Diane

                                                                                                                                      • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                        Rene Moreira Wayfarer

                                                                                                                                        Dear Grace,

                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                        Could you please post Birger & Darlene's marriage register? Unfortunately I do not have access to the ancestry.com.

                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                        With kindly regards,

                                                                                                                                        Rene Moreira

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                                                                                                                                  • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                    Rene Moreira Wayfarer

                                                                                                                                    Dear Diana,

                                                                                                                                    Many thanks for your reply.

                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                    I have some other questions for you, but will ask them tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, that I have more time.

                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                    Attached to this message I am sending some pictures where Roy died and later on was buried. I just followed the information provided from you all in the previous messages. Again, try to get a death certificate for us to see if it is the correct Roy and see if there is more information.

                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                    With best regards from Austria,

                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                    PS: this hospital does not exists anymore and the graveyard looks like not to be working anymore. Maybe by the city hall you can find more information about both?

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                                                                                                                                    • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                      Barbara Hall Wayfarer

                                                                                                                                      Diane,

                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                      Another thought to follow with the scenario you have:

                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                      Bill enlists in the military; Bill marries your Mom, but Bill does not tell his parents or the military about his change in marital status; Bill goes to war and dies. In this case, his next-of-kin would be probably his parents. They would have been informed if he were MIA or deceased.

                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                      If you can determine what community his parents lived in, your father’s death was very likely published in their local newspaper. I have looked at many WWII-era newspapers. Military deaths and MIA reports are continually mentioned during WWII.

                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                      This may also explain why your Mother never received official notification about her husband’s death. She was not listed as his spouse on any records. His parents may not have known of his marriage, so they could not attempt to notify your Mom.

                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                      Your’re getting closer to an answer!

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                                                                                                                                        • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                          Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                          Something happened and I lost my reply to you.  If you didn't get it, let me know and I will rewrite it.

                                                                                                                                          Thank you for your suggestions.

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                                                                                                                                          • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                            Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                            Hi Barbara,

                                                                                                                                            Your help with my mystery(ies) is very much appreciated.  I think you are right about the name spellings and  I think you may be right that my dad never notified the military that he got married.  I think Elliot may be right that Roger Roy, in Minnesota, is probably my grandfather.

                                                                                                                                            To make both your theories work out, here's what my imagination came up with:

                                                                                                                                            !.  My dad may have been born in Los Angeles, like it says on the marriage certificate in 1917 or 1918 in Los Angeles.

                                                                                                                                            2.  Maybe the family moved to Minnesota for a better job.  Maybe he went to school and graduated from high school there in 1939 or 1940.  Maybe there were still relatives back in Los Angeles so he went back there for better job opportunities.

                                                                                                                                            3.  He could have registered for the draft in either Minnesota, after graduation, or in California when he moved back.

                                                                                                                                            4.  We know he met and married my mother November 12, 1943.  I have both the license and the Certificate of Marriage, both of which give the exact same information.

                                                                                                                                            5.  According to my mother, he "shipped out before we had any time together."  I'm taking that to mean he was gone by the end of November or by the middle of December.

                                                                                                                                            6.  Maybe Roy and Emma were notified that he was killed in action and Roy became so distraught Emma didn't know what to do with him, so she committed him to the Hastings State Hospital ( an insane asylum at that time)

                                                                                                                                            7.  Maybe Emma left and went back to California to be with family still living there.

                                                                                                                                            8.  I do know that she was living in Westminster at the time of her death, although she died in Long Beach.

                                                                                                                                            (Back then Westminster was a tiny suburb of Los Angeles and the closest hospital may have been in Long Beach.

                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                            Now, I am anxious to find out this week, from a historian at the Santa Ana Library, whether or not there is an obituary for Emma.  I feel like there was, because someone spent some money on her gravestone.  I have also contacted the Dakota County Historical Society to try to get some more information about Roger Roy.

                                                                                                                                            If they were not husband and wife, I don't know where else to look for grandpa.

                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                            My imagination has gone wild, but all my truths have been shot down, so maybe all this will finally lead to answers.  I am trying, everyday, to follow up on advice everyone has offered.  It is slow going, because I am having a hard time finding correct phone numbers and/or addresses.  Or, I'm waiting replies from snail mail.

                                                                                                                                            When I find out anything, I will post so all can keep helping.

                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                            Thank you again, Barbara, and all who are helping.

                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                            Diane

                                                                                                                                          • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                            Rene Moreira Wayfarer

                                                                                                                                            Dear Diane,

                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                            I'm sorry for my absence in the last days, but I can assure you I've been working with some researches, even though I didn't write here anymore.

                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                            I found several documents from your family and I would like to share with. It is not regarding William's family at first, but when I am doind researches I like to follow any correct clue, even though at first it looks like nothing.

                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                            With kindly regards from Austria,

                                                                                                                                            Rene Moreira

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                                                                                                                                                Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                Hi Rene,

                                                                                                                                                It's nice to hear from you.  I'll bet Austria is beautiful this time of year.  I've been busy too.  For the 1st time, I heard about Induction Stations and all the information that is collected before the drafted/enlisted person is sent to the training camp.  I sure would like to find out if those records are kept anywhere besides our National Archives.  If I could get my mother's induction papers, I am sure my father's serial number or some other identifying information would be contained therein.  I have written to a number of places, but old world correspondence is slow, so no telling when I'll hear back; and if I do, whether anything useful will be offered.

                                                                                                                                                Thanks for touching base.

                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                Diane, from Texas--The Lone Star State (near Mexico and the Big Bend Dessert) 

                                                                                                                                              • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                Rene Moreira Wayfarer

                                                                                                                                                Dear Diana,

                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                Best of luck researching those Induction Stations. Hope you find interesting information. Please share with us any news you may receive.

                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                All news I have up to now are from your Larson family side. I could find some birth, marriage and death certificates, some Census information, where they lived in Sioux and some graves at the cemitery. I am not quite sure if those informations could help us now, but at least they are 100% reliable information.

                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                I will check the relationship between your mother and Birger C Carlson and Darlene M Christensen, as Barbara suggested. Maybe we could find interesting information here.

                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                With best regards,

                                                                                                                                                Rene Moreira

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                                                                                                                                                • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                  Rene Moreira Wayfarer

                                                                                                                                                  Dear Diana,

                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                  Could you help me out with more information from what you wrote:

                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                  "Thank you for all the information you provided.  My mother was Darlene's roommate, a year or two before she met William.  Darlene was dating Birger, but she never mentioned him and William being friends.  Mom and William didn't really date.  They met at some NCO Club.  I think she knew him about a month before they married."

                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                  Can you tell me please:

                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                  1. Roommate at university? Which University? What course?

                                                                                                                                                  2. What is a NCO Club

                                                                                                                                                  3. Do you think they went to school together? Which school did your mother go?

                                                                                                                                                  4. Do you have any Yearbook from your mother, where we can search for Darlene and Birger?

                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                  Thanks,

                                                                                                                                                  Rene Moreira

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                                                                                                                                                  • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                    Rene Moreira Wayfarer

                                                                                                                                                    Me again, so sorry for the 3rd message in a row, but I just remembered something:

                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                    Your mother had two other siblings: Jean/Eugene and Lilian Larson. They were 26 and 19 years old respectively at 1940. My question here to you is, if you already searched for your uncle's and aunt's family? They might have some information regarding the marriage in 1943. Maybe they were present at the cerimony. Maybe their children know something about it and might have pictures?

                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                    I also checked their last adress: 2925 Leech Avenue and attached to this message a picture of their house.

                                                                                                                                                     

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                                                                                                                                                    • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                      Rene Moreira Wayfarer

                                                                                                                                                      Dear Diane,

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      I've been doing some research today and found your mother's Enlistment Records, along with Darlene's.

                                                                                                                                                      I am quite sure these are the correct records, because of her married lastname, her entlistment were together with Darlene's, which also has a married lastname. The only weird thing is that she said she is from Minnesota, instead of Iowa, or they wrote it wrong, who knows.

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      Another thing, you wrote before and I quote:

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      "It's getting to the point I don't know what to think!  I don't know if this will help you and Elliot, my God-sends, or not.  My parents married November, 1943.  He shipped out in Dec. of 1943 or January, 1944.  My mother had no living relatives at that point, and was only 20; so she decided to enlist in the WAC.  Her serial number was

                                                                                                                                                      A702983.  She enlisted at Des Moines, Iowa, Feb.22,1944.Her group (I guess) was  Sec C 3008th AAF (PS,B)

                                                                                                                                                      She suspected she was pregnant in early March and was discharged June 26, 1944."

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      According to the US 1940 Census, your mother was living by the time with her mother, 2 sieblings and her great-mother, so are you sure she does not have any relative left by 1944 or is it just a theory? I do think they were still alive.

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      Now, could you tell us why does your mother was living in Polk by the time of the Entlistment? Do you believe your father and mother met in Sioux City or maybe in Polk/Des Moines?

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      I will try to find the original records from your mother's and Darlene's entlistment, so we can check any further document.

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      Another point: here are a list of all bombardment groups that came from Sioux City:

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      53d Fighter Group

                                                                                                                                                      99th Bombardement Group

                                                                                                                                                      100th

                                                                                                                                                      379th

                                                                                                                                                      384th

                                                                                                                                                      388th

                                                                                                                                                      393d

                                                                                                                                                      445th

                                                                                                                                                      448th

                                                                                                                                                      485th

                                                                                                                                                      15th Bombardement Training Wing

                                                                                                                                                      17th

                                                                                                                                                      47th

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      These groups were either sent to the 8th air force (ETO) or 15th Air Force (MTO) for combat operations. So, if your father trained and served at the Sioux City Army Air Base, then he should be in one of these Groups. Still a lot to look for.

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                       

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                                                                                                                                                        • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                          Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                          When my mother told me she and Darlene worked together at Woolworth and became friends, I guess I assumed it was in Sioux City or I didn't pay close enough attention all those years ago.  I guess they worked together and enlisted together in Des Moines.  As far as meeting my father is concerned, I just know it was in a club for soldiers.  My next question, if she were alive would be, "If you met him in Des Moines, where you lived and worked, why did you and your friends go back to Sioux City to get married?"  This is all so weird. 

                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                          I don't know how Minnesota fits in with my mother.  She was born in Sioux City, Iowa, not in Minnesota.  Her father immigrated to this country to help build the railroad system.  He was never in Minnesota.  However William R's father may have died in Hastings, Minnesota.  I am trying to confirm that, but the Gayle Family Library in Dakota County, Minnesota is so complicated that I don't understand how to get the information I need.  If you or anyone helping is willing to take it on, I'd be thrilled to post everything I know about my ??grandfather.

                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                          I noticed that Darlene is only three years older than Ione. The little my mother talked about her, I guessed she was a good 10 years older.

                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                          I am trying to get Ione's induction records from e-Vetrecs.  Uploading her death certificate is not enough.  I have to have a pdf letter from the funeral home saying I'm her daughter and she really is dead.  Good Grief!

                                                                                                                                                          So, I am waiting.  If I can ever get into that bank of information, I may get his serial number at last.

                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                          I hope I have answered all your questions.  I am trying to be as accurate as possible, but when it comes to what mom told me, I'm no longer sure........but why????

                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                          Thanks so much for your help.  I can't begin to tell you how much I really appreciate you and all who are helping.

                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                          Diane

                                                                                                                                                            • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                              Elliot Schneider Ranger

                                                                                                                                                              Diane,

                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                              Name:Ione L Nelson
                                                                                                                                                              Name (Original):NELSON IONE L
                                                                                                                                                              Event Type:Military Service
                                                                                                                                                              Event Date:22 Feb 1944
                                                                                                                                                              Term of Enlistment:Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
                                                                                                                                                              Event Place:Des Moines, Iowa, United States
                                                                                                                                                              Race:White
                                                                                                                                                              Citizenship Status:citizen
                                                                                                                                                              Birth Year:1922
                                                                                                                                                              Birthplace:MINNESOTA
                                                                                                                                                              Education Level:3 years of high school
                                                                                                                                                              Civilian Occupation:Semiskilled miscellaneous occupations, n.e.c.
                                                                                                                                                              Marital Status:Married
                                                                                                                                                              Military Rank:Private
                                                                                                                                                              Army Branch:Women's Army Corps
                                                                                                                                                              Army Component:Women's Army Corps
                                                                                                                                                              Source Reference:Civil Life
                                                                                                                                                              Serial Number:A-702983
                                                                                                                                                              Affiliate ARC Identifier:1263923
                                                                                                                                                              Box Film Number:00151.15

                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                              I know you mentioned we have all seen her birth certificate its possible when she enlisted for induction that she put her birth place as Minnesota. At least we can tell by the record it showed her as being married that's a good sign.

                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                              These records of your mothers records are considered "Archival" and can be obtain by the general public.

                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                              Accessioned into the National Archives, and become archival, 62 years after the service member's separation from the military. This is a rolling date; hence, the current year, 2021, minus 62 years is 1959. Records with a discharge date of 1959 or prior are archival and are open to the public. Records with a discharge date of 1960 or after are non-archival and are maintained under the Federal Records Center program. Non-archival records are subject to access restrictions.

                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                              Please remember that currently NPRC and even if you use e-vetrecs are still encourage to refrain from submitting requests. Please see information under coronavirus NPRC plan. I know its exciting but you will need to wait for sometime, but this is good because you can get the information squared away.

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                                                                                                                                                                • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                                  Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                  Thank you Elliot for your help.  I thought when you submitted, even they are closed, they would respond to those request as soon as they reopened.  I'm sorry I misunderstood.  My health, being what it is, I'm just scared I'll never find out.

                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                  I don't understand why my mother lied about her place of birth.  I have her birth certificate. She was born in Sioux City, Iowa at 4:45 am on September 4, 1925 not in Minnesota.  I understand why she lied about her age to get married, but being born in Minnesota---I don't get it.  Also, she talked about how hard her high school years were, socially, because her parents struggled for money; but she never indicated that she didn't graduate. 

                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                  Yesterday, I was just crushed.  There is a William R,. who was a veteran, who  was buried somewhere in 1967, then relocated to the LA National Cemetery in 2009.  So I called, telling them his ID # and Plot #, and asked if his mother was Emma Melstry Nelson.  The guy would not say, "Yes" or ""No" instead he said that, unless I could prove I was his next of kin, he would no give out any information."  Then he hung up on me.  I will never understand why he was so rude.  Today I am calling the Gayle Family Library, operated by the Dakota County Historical Society in Minnesota, because I am too ignorant to use their website.  I have tried for a couple of weeks to find out if the Roger Roy Nelson, you suggested might be my grandfather, through his medical and death records located in their library.

                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                  Again, thanks for your ongoing help and for putting up with my frustrations.

                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                  Diane

                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                                      Elliot Schneider Ranger

                                                                                                                                                                      Diane,

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Place of birth and DOB are all in correct. Her enlistment record shows a birth of 1922 and on her birth certificate shows 1925. I can see why doing it to get married . Also I would try Minnesota birth records for your mother but using the 1922 date and see what they can find. https://www.health.state.mn.us/people/vitalrecords/birth.html

                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                      Here is some information I found by calling Dakota County for you. They say that this is a snip of the death certificate and noticed nothing about father or mother. Hope the actual certified copy is better. Please follow the link here, to obtain a certified copy. https://www.co.dakota.mn.us/Permits/DeathCertificates/Pages/default.aspx

                                                                                                                                                                       

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                                          Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                          Hi Elliot,

                                                                                                                                                                          I used the link to search for my mother's birth in Minnesota.  There was no one with, even a similar name, born in any of the counties in May 1922.  I don't know why Minnesota was on her enlistment record. When I typed in Roger Roy Nelson on the Vital Statistics Death Certificate page, there was nothing was found in any county.

                                                                                                                                                                          Again, I just don't know how to do a lot of this stuff.  I noticed there was a fee involved. Should I fill out an application for a death certificate and mail it and the fee even though they claim not to have a record of his death?  I know the Gayle Library has all his medical and psychiatric history,but that website is over my head.

                                                                                                                                                                          It might be worth my while to splurge and pay someone, at the library, to find his records.  I will call and find out if I can do that, because those records will verify whether or not he was Emma's husband, William's father.

                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                          I'm sorry I am so limited in my abilities.  Please know I try and am so grateful for your help.

                                                                                                                                                                          Diane

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                                                                                                                                                                      patricia demers Wayfarer

                                                                                                                                                                      Your grandfather, that was Roy, correct? wife, Emma?  I think or hope you saw Roy was in prison in 1920 at age 18 and he was b in Norway originally according to the 1920 census. It makes sense about Minnesota because a lot of Scandinavians were there

                                                                                                                                                                      Pat Troy Demers

                                                                                                                                                                      thru ancestry or fmailysearch

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                                                                                                                                                                  • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                                    Rene Moreira Wayfarer

                                                                                                                                                                    Dear Darlene,

                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                    By the time they entlisted, they were living in Polk, city near by Des Moines. What is a Woolworth? A store? Do you know in which city was it? Polk, Des Moines or Sioux City?

                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                    Regarding the marriage, it was and in some places still is, pretty comoum that the marriage occurs in the city of the bride. So, even if they met in Polk or Des Moines, it makes sense they both married in Sioux City.

                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                    Did you see what I wrote about your Mother having live relatives by the time of the entlistment? What do you think if we research about your uncle's and aunt's family?

                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                    I still need you to inform me, please, where your mother went to school and if she started College/University.

                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                    Please let me know the results from your search at e-Vetrecs.

                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                    Don't worry about Minnesota in your mother's records. I do think it was just a mistake. And regarding Roy Nelson, I am on looking for clues about him and Emma.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                                        Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                        Hi Rene,

                                                                                                                                                                        I'm sorry that I didn't get all your questions answered.  Woolworth was a variety store up until the 60s or 70s, located in most cities, with any sizeable population.  It sold everything from magazines, to small pets and fish, to clothing.  It was sort of like a small Walmart.  It was probably in both Sioux City and Des Moines.

                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                        Polk is a county rather than a city.  Des Moines was the largest city in Polk County back then.

                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                        My aunt and uncle died before my mother left/graduated from high school--or at least so she said. According to her all her relatives were dead and William shipped out.  She had no one to turn to for help, financially or any other way, so she enlisted.

                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                        I will definitely let you know anything I find out.  I have no idea when that will be, because of Covid.

                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                        I hope you have some luck with Roy.  The Roger Roy in Minnesota may well be my grandfather, Emma's husband, but until I can figure out how to use the Gayle Family Library, I won't know.

                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks again for all your help.

                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                        Diane

                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                                            Elliot Schneider Ranger

                                                                                                                                                                            Diane,

                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                            I sat on this for awhile, not sure if I told you I used to serve in the military as well. When I was in basic training it was combined female and male training. Here was my thinking because I know about a lot of the stories about these women joining the military or lie about their age to get into the military to leave their families because they were pregnant. So I was thinking is it possible that your mom became pregnant deciding to leaving the family without telling anyone about what had happened, join the Army WAC and try to enlist. Knowing that she was pregnant thinking that joining the military would ease any tension of not telling her parents. Then when your mother went in for physical evaluation the Army doctors found she was pregnant and she was discharged.

                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                            This is very common today young women who get pregnant and do not want to face family think joining the military would help ease family tensions and the women from explaining. I could only imagine the 1940's and what families thought back then.

                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                            This is just a theory based on my past experiences dealing with young female recruits. You dont give up I know there are lots of challenges but many of us here want to help you.

                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks,

                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                            Elliot

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                                                                                                                                                                              • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                                                Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                Hi Elliot,

                                                                                                                                                                                When my mother died, I went through all her "stuff"  Both her parents were dead before she was 18.  I have seen their death certificates.  Her sister and brother also died before she married William.  She was totally alone, because all her other relatives were still in Norway.  I have all their names and addresses, but I'm sure they are all long dead by now.

                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                I am so upset with the funeral home that buried her.  I asked for a pdf  letter to verify her death and that I was her daughter.  They won't do it because she died more than 20 years ago and they have no way of proving I am her daughter, even though my name is in the obituary they sent to the newspaper.  That newspaper is no longer in business, so I have got to find another way to prove she's dead.  She didn't die at a hospital, either.

                                                                                                                                                                                She died of a stroke at home.

                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                Any suggestions as to what to do now?

                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                I won't quit trying.  I'm just---I don't know what I am.......Disappointed, but grateful to you and all those who are helping.

                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                Diane

                                                                                                                                                                                  • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                                                    Rene Moreira Wayfarer

                                                                                                                                                                                    Diane,

                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                    I have to disagree with you, when you say your uncle and aunt died before your mother get married in 1943 and here are the proves! I have much more documents, but unfortunately I cannot upolad everything.

                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                    Jean Marvey Larson: married in 1941, died in 1973

                                                                                                                                                                                    Lillian Christine Larson:  married in 1943, died in 1975

                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                    In my opinion, the best way for us now to get information about William and your mom is trying to contact one of your 5 cousins, that I think are still alive. 3 from Jean and 2 from Lillian. What do you think, Diana and Elliot? Do you want me to try to contact your cousins? Do you want to try to call them? Please, tell how you want to response to this new information.

                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                    I could also say your mother was in touch with both of them, since they put her married name in their obituary when they passed in the 70's. Your mom last name by the time was Tedei, from her 3rd Marriage. Am I correct here? And as long as I could find, your mother passed on May 4th 1991.

                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                                                      Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                      Diane,

                                                                                                                                                                                      You wrote that you are upset with the funeral home because you have no way of proving your mother is dead.  They are under no obligation to provide that kind of information to you and besides, no legal entity would accept it.

                                                                                                                                                                                      The best legal way to prove your mother died and you are her daughter is the following:

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. Obtain her Death Certificate.

                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Obtain marriage certificates for each marriage showing her name changes or original maiden name on each to show that she is the person who died in the death certificate (which usually contains the maiden name also).

                                                                                                                                                                                      3. Obtain your birth certificate.

                                                                                                                                                                                      All must be original, certified/notarized copies which the town-city and state will provide.

                                                                                                                                                                                      These "Vital Records" are obtainable through the city-town and definitely the state where each event occurred.  You request the death and marriage certificates as her daughter and pay a fee for each one.  You can find information on how to do that at the Town/City Clerk's office where the event occurred or at the Office of Vital Records in the State that the events occurred.

                                                                                                                                                                                      For most, if not all states, you can obtain these records online by filling out a form and either mailing in or doing it all electronically.  You do not need to travel to the state archives or the town to physically obtain most records.  Costs are generally higher for electronic and mail requests instead of walking in.  With Covid, many of the sites are closed or have restricted access but almost all are open for business via phone call or online contact.  Each site can be found by doing a simple internet/web search using your favorite search site.

                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                      You will get authenticated copies of each record that will prove what you want to to anyone who asks such as the military, a court, Social Security, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                      -Bruce

                                                                                                                                                                                      "God helps those who help themselves."

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                                                          Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                          Dear Bruce,

                                                                                                                                                                                          I agree that the funeral home is under no obligation to  provide me with anything.  However,  when I called them, the person I spoke to first located my mother's funeral records and told me I would receive a copy of her death certificate in the pdf form I requested, the next day.  I waited 3 days, heard nothing/received nothing, so I called back and was told by another person that they no longer had the files and, even if they did I had no right to them, because they were more than 20 years old.  That's the full story on that.

                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                          I started looking for my father 58 years ago, when all I could do was call or write hoping for information.  I will always be thankful for the librarian at our local library for her help and support.  I am still calling and writing, for the most part, because I didn't get a computer until I was 70, and struggle to use it.  I have taught myself what little I know..  I don't understand the language of technology (Billie had to tell me what a pdf file was the other day, for example) or how to use the search engines?? to locate information.  For the most part, I search up a place that might have information, then call and/or write.

                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                          I do have my mother's official birth certificate, death certificate, my original birth certificate, both her marriage licenses, but I don't know what to do with them.

                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                          I agree with you "God helps those who help themselves."  I don't know what more to do for myself.  I accidentally found this site and I have felt that all who have helped or just offered support were a God-send.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I want you to know how much I have appreciated your help as well.  It never occurred to me that you or anyone would think I was "using" you in any way,   It just breaks my heart.  Please forgive me and accept my apology, Bruce, and everyone who feels I'm not trying.

                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                          Diane

                                                                                                                                                                                • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                                                  Rene Moreira Wayfarer

                                                                                                                                                                                  Dear Diane,

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  I just want to say that I have found massive new data regarding your family relatives, Darlene's and Birger's family. I still need to work all the data, because it is huge information I have found. For instance I discovered that your uncle also served the army and died just in 1973, so you might have alive cousins! All these new data that I have found are 100% accurate, so this is not a guess or a hypothesis.

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  Regarding Darlene, we know for sure that she's been born in Humboldt and moved with her family to Des Moines, attending to high school there. She also moved and lived in Los Angeles, dying there in 1981.

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  Anyway, could you please help me out with some more information regarding your mother or what your mother used to say to you?

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. To which high school did your mom attended? - This question is very, very important to try to understand exactly how, when and where did your mom met Darlene and the relationship between Birger and William.

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Do you know where and how Darlene and Birger meet?

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  3. Do you have any information regarding the bar your mom and William meet?

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  4. Do you know anything about the store your mom and Darlene worked together?

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  5. And regarding being roomates, do you know where and why, since your mom was around 15, 16 years old and she supposed to be living live with her family at the time?

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  We are getting there! =)

                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                  Best regards,

                                                                                                                                                                                  Rene Moreira

                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                                                      Elliot Schneider Ranger

                                                                                                                                                                                      Rene,

                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                      The bar that Diane refers to in her conversation is called the NCO Club bar. This is also known as Non Commissioned Officer Club (NCO). Many of these NCO clubs at the time were on the military bases, and at times staffed by USO members. They would hold dances, movies, and plays.

                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                      I believe she mentioned Woolworth's it was an old store back in the day similar to Ben Franklin stores or K-mart you could do a one stop shop. They are no longer in business and have been for years.

                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                      Elliot

                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                                                      Rene Moreira Wayfarer

                                                                                                                                                                                      Dear Eliot,

                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                      Thank you very much for your reply. It will definitely help me with the search. As I said before, I have found massive date of Darlenes's, Birger's and Diane's family. Is there any way I could share it with you and Diane, that not from here?

                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                      Regards,

                                                                                                                                                                                      Rene Moreira

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                                                        Linda Hindes Wayfarer

                                                                                                                                                                                        Good Luck Diane,   so sorry for your frustration.  Don't give up.  The History Hub has so many researchers and others who care as you can see.  They continue to help me. Fold3 another good source for several applications.   Social Security Administration is a needed avenue for everyone. Did he have siblings? 

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                                                            Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi Linda,

                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            Thank you for contacting me.  I have used Fold 3 for a number of things, but don't have enough information or tech ability to find out anything about my father through them.  My father was an only child, so unless he survived the war and had other children, I am his only living relative.  I have written the SS Administration, but haven't heard back from them.  I asked them to search for his mother, because I have the most information about her.  There are just too many W R Nelsons born who worked in California.

                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            Please continue to help.  Anything you can think of, I will definitely follow-up on.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Thank you again,

                                                                                                                                                                                            Diane

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                            Diane,

                                                                                                                                                                                            This post is getting very long and difficult to follow.  It is time to bring some order and discipline to it if you want to make further progress.

                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            I recommend you start a family tree online that allows others to collaborate with you to build it out.  I would only let people in that you trust to generate good, reliable citations that meet the professional genealogist standards of evidence.  This will allow us to build your family tree, starting with you, and work backwards.  The collaborators can then review each other's work to ensure the citations meet the standards of proof needed.

                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            I suspect that Elliot and Rene both have that ability and perhaps others in this post would be willing to collaborate to assist you but I would limit it to a small number to keep it manageable.

                                                                                                                                                                                            There are a few sites that allow you to create a free account then invite others to edit it.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Examples are (click on the blue text to go to the site and sign up for a free account):

                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            Geni - Family Tree & Family History at Geni.com

                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            Ancestry Member Tree (has some limits but allows others to contribute to a tree) - Family Tree | Make a Free Family Tree at Ancestry

                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            We Relate - Main Page - Genealogy (werelate.org)

                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            WikiTree - WikiTree: The Free Family Tree

                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            I only have some experience with Ancestry so perhaps others can comment on the other sites or suggest a different one for collaboration.  If you feel you cannot navigate creating a site, then one of us could do that for you then invite you to join.  Let everyone know how you want to proceed.

                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            -Bruce

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                                                                                                                                                                                              Rene Moreira Wayfarer

                                                                                                                                                                                              Dear Diana, Bruce, Elliot and others,

                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                              I just want to update you regarding my research on Diane's cousins, Birger C Carlson and Darlene, and Roy and Emma:

                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. Diane's Cousins: I found out she had 6 cousins from his uncle Jean(4) and aunt Lillian(2):

                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                              Jean

                                                                                                                                                                                              a) Barbara J Ricenbaw: born 22 April 1943, married 29 September 1963, passed on 22 September 2006

                                                                                                                                                                                              b) Saundra R Larson: born on August 1946

                                                                                                                                                                                              c) Gayle Maria Larson Mamer: born on 17 Octuber 1947, passed on 10 January 2011

                                                                                                                                                                                              d) Suzanne Christine Larson: born on 22 May 1952 passed on December 1964

                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                              Lillian: born on 11 April 1921, married on 13 June 1943 (in Hennepin, Minnesota) and passed on July 1975

                                                                                                                                                                                              a) Jamet (or maybe James) Kent Jackson: still could not find anything

                                                                                                                                                                                              b) Pamela Jackson:  still could not find anything

                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                              I am definitely sure both were still alive by the time Ione married William, but they were not living in Sioux City anymore, since Jean was drafted and served from 18 November 1942 until 19 Octuber 1945 and Lillian was living in Hennepin Minnesota, were she married. So it is correct to assume that she was alone in Sioux City (since father and mother passed), but she still had living siblings (Jean and Lillian). In my opinion we should search for their family and try to find out something about the marriage and William.

                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                              2. Birger C Carlson: I found out Birger had a brother who also served the army and returned home:

                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                              a) Bertil W Carlson: born on 26 September 1920, married Rosemarie Monetti in 1945 in NJ

                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                              Unfortunatelly I still didn't find his obituary and don't know if they had children, but probably yes. If we locate his family we could ask more about his brother and maybe find out something about William.

                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                              3. Darlene

                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                              Darlene definitely married again and passed with the lastname as Toney. She passed in Cypress, Orange County, LA, on 27 Octuber 1981 and was born in Humboldt, Iowa, in 25 August 1926. She moved to LA with at least her mother, who married again and assumed the last name Piazza. Her father died in 1945. Most of her siblings also served the army somehow.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Her last adress, from 1978 that I have found is: 6814 Elm Ave, Cypress, Orange County

                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                              4. I was also researching about Roy and Emma in LA and could find the register that follows. I am still not sure if this information is reliable, but, who knows? Could you help me analysing it? This register bellow is the only one I am not sure. Everything else I described above are 100% reliable.

                                                                                                                                                                                               

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thank you for all this information.  I do not understand why my mother lied to me about her family.  I am in shock.  We never once saw or heard from her sister and brother.  There are questions I would like to ask you, but am reluctant to do so on History Hub.  You have no idea how much I appreciate your help.

                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Diane

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Elliot Schneider Ranger

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Diane,

                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Question you never met any of your cousins from your mothers family her sister?, you never in your lifetime met any of your mothers siblings?  so I know there are a lot of things here but Diane , Here is your mothers family in 1940 and we have seen this before. So you never have met Lillian or Jean your aunt and uncle  in over 50 years?

                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Do you remember any other stories that your mom may have told you regarding her siblings and the reason for the silence did you ever as a kid ask her to play with your cousins?

                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have a similar family story and it involves a ring from a runaway mother and tore my mothers family apart and to this day my mother still has never met her cousins either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                      You had a Uncle Jean (Gene) Larson

                                                                                                                                                                                                      You had an Aunt Lillian Larson

                                                                                                                                                                                                      and your Mother Ione Larson

                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jean Larson

                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Son

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Male

                                                                                                                                                                                                      26

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Iowa

                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Lillian Larson

                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Daughter

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Female

                                                                                                                                                                                                      19

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Iowa

                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ione Larson

                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Daughter

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Female

                                                                                                                                                                                                      14

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Iowa

                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Marie M Halverson

                                                                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Mother

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Female

                                                                                                                                                                                                      77

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Norway

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: Seeking my father's WWII military records
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I wrote you a lengthy reply but, because of the electrical problems in Texas, when the lights went out all was lost.  So I am going to write several short replies hoping to get it all said between outages.

                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                          My mother, from the time I was old enough to ask, told me she thought my father was killed in the war; but she wasn't sure.  She told me that her parents both died before she could graduate from high school, so she had to drop out and get a job.  That was working as a photographer's assistant in Woolworth.  I assumed it was in Sioux City, but have recently found out it was in Des Moines.  She told me she met Darlene at work, they became friends, so she moved in with her as her roommate. Birger, she said was Darlene's boyfriend.  Since she had no one else, they were witnesses to her marriage.

                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                          If you got my previous post, I could remember how I said all this.  The order and such may be different, but the content is the same.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Here I am again,

                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                              When I was old enough to understand family components, I never asked about cousins or other relatives.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I had been told that Lillian died of Cancer and Jean died in an accident shortly after the war.  I never questioned anything.  Why would I ever think my mother filled my head with lies.  I have been trying to figure out why all day.  Who was she protecting?  What was she hiding?   In my next posts I will copy what Rene and Bruce provided me today.

                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                              In the meantime, I am just horrified that all of Bruce and Rene's posts have been stricken from History Hub.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I got a notice from someone saying that I wasn't allowed to disclose my email address.  I didn't know that.  I have done it twice before, and nothing was said.  I am corresponding with those people.  The only good thing is, I have saved every post you, Bruce, Rene, and a few others have sent.  In case you and others didn't get to read what they posted, I will copy them onto my next bit of correspondence.

                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Don't know if you read this post from Bruce, but I hope you and Rene will help me; because I don't know how to do what he is suggesting. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                              "I recommend you start a family tree online that allows others to collaborate with you to build it out.  I would only let people in that you trust to generate good, reliable citations that meet the professional genealogist standards of evidence.  This will allow us to build your family tree, starting with you, and work backwards.  The collaborators can then review each other's work to ensure the citations meet the standards of proof needed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I suspect that Elliot and Rene both have that ability and perhaps others in this post would be willing to collaborate to assist you but I would limit it to a small number to keep it manageable."

                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                              As always I appreciate and thank you for everything.

                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Diane

                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                              There are a few sites that allow you to create a free account then invite others to edit it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Examples are (click on the blue text to go to the site and sign up for a free account):

                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Geni - Family Tree & Family History at Geni.com

                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ancestry Member Tree (has some limits but allows others to contribute to a tree) - Family Tree | Make a Free Family Tree at Ancestry

                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                              We Relate - Main Page - Genealogy (werelate.org)

                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                              WikiTree - WikiTree: The Free Family Tree

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hi Elliot,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sitting here in the dark for so many hours at a time, I started digging out old memories from my childhood.  All of a sudden, I am questioning almost everything my mother told me.  For instance, she told me she had to drop out of high school when her mom, last living relative died, met Darlene at work, was her roommate until she married W.R., enlisted, etc., etc.  Well, my mother worked at the 1st National Bank of Chicago when I was really little.  Her job was in the foreign exchange department.  Foreign people would come into that bank and she exchanged their currency for ours.  She often talked about how many very wealthy foreigners she met.  That never created any questions and so I forgot about her job until last night.  I now question how she worked in such a position without a high school education.  Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think a bank would put a 20 something girl, with no education, into a

                                                                                                                                                                                                                position requiring the utmost in integrity and accuracy.  Once my half-brother, then sister arrived, she never worked again.  But here's the other thing.  I have written to try and find someone who knew her during these times.  My mother was a member of the Windy City Theatre Organ Society.  She and a couple of other members would fly to California, for instance, and repair a church's organ or to D.C. to fix a theatre's organ.  She would be gone no more than a day or two, and Louis's mother would stay with us kids.  The pay was pretty good and all their expenses were covered.  I remember, once when I was a teenager, they flew to Europe for a week and fixed 3 organs over there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Question:  How did she learn to do this?  If it was through apprenticeship, when did she follow her teacher around.  She was always home.  More and more questions make me wonder, "What was up with my mother?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm getting crazy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Diane

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi Rene,

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have no idea why my mother has told me so many lies.  She always reluctant to talk to me and answered my questions in as few words as possible.  If she had told me my father died in the war, I would never have started

                                                                                                                                                                                                            searching for him.  It all started when I was 18.  I didn't tell her, because I had heard too many times, "It was a different time then and nothing was what you would call normal."  I have no idea why she never maintained contact with her living family.  I was told Darlene was a friend, roommate that she met at work.  She said Birger was her boyfriend, so I had no reason to look into any of those people.  Also, I was 70 when I bought my 1st computer, so every piece of information I have obtained, prior to members of History Hub's help, has been through writing letters or calling people and places.  I still do that, for the most part, because I just can't seem to grasp how technology works to use it effectively.

                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bruce made a suggestion that I hope you, along with Bruce, will consider.  Here is what he said,

                                                                                                                                                                                                            "I recommend you start a family tree online that allows others to collaborate with you to build it out.  I would only let people in that you trust to generate good, reliable citations that meet the professional genealogist standards of evidence.  This will allow us to build your family tree, starting with you, and work backwards.  The collaborators can then review each other's work to ensure the citations meet the standards of proof needed"

                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I feel like everything I thought to be true is now questionable.  I keep wondering what happened.  Was she protecting someone?  If so, who?  Was something illegal going on?  I can't imagine what.  She was always such a responsible person, kind and considerate.  She would help anyone in need, if possible, so I just don't understand.

                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                            This is getting long, but there is more to share in another missive.

                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks so much for helping,

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Diane

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Rene,

                                                                                                                                                                                                              In my opinion re: the draft registration card of Roy Nelson.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Too young to be William R. Nelsons father, Roy Nelson.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Likely too old (36+) to have married Ione Larson in 1943 although it is possible.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I do like the fact that his contacts last name is very similar to his mother's maiden name on the marriage register.  That is, E (for Emma??), J or G, Mieister or Mielster compared to the marriage register name of Melstry, which if filled out by someone else could explain the discrepancy.  If it is Ione's husband, William R(oy) then EJ/G Mieister could be Emma after a divorce or more likely a relative.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Also interesting coincidence that this Roy Nelson was born in Sioux City and was living in Los Angeles when he was drafted into the service.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              The address of his employer at 901 N. Spring St. in LA is an old industrial site going back to the late 1800's. I cannot determine ownership history. Appears to be an old rail siding that ran near it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              The address at 846 N Alta Vista, Los Angeles is residential but I cannot determine ownership history.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              County deed records are very restricted so would have to visit on site or pay $$ to determine ownership history.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Overall, I wouldn't throw the registration out but would hold it aside pending further proof of who this Roy Nelson is.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              -Bruce

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Rene,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I found out who the E J Mieister was from the 1940 US Census and 1930 Census. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1940: Ed J Meister, "United States Census, 1940" (familysearch.org)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1930: Edwin J Meister, "United States Census, 1930" (familysearch.org)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                In the 1930 census (dated April 7, 1930)  it listed a Nelson has his sister-in-law who was visiting from Colorado (see below).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                In both census the address of Meister exactly matches the 846 North Alta Vista in the draft registration card.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Roy Nelson would have been about 25 in 1930.  I checked the 1940 Census for Orrene and she is shown as married to Roy and the address matches the card.  Orrene Nelson in household of Roy Nelson, "United States Census, 1940" — FamilySearch.org

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I found both Roy and Orrene in the 1930 census (dated 12, 1930) that matches their vitals but they were living in Colorado: Year: 1930; Census Place: Joy Coy, Baca, Colorado; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 0014; FHL microfilm: 2339964

                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                No children of Roy and Orrene are listed in either census.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                More work needs to be done to rule out or in these families.  How was Orrene related as a sister-in-law to Edwin Meister?  Could Edwin have been a cousin to Roy and the relationship really wasn't a sister-in-law?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I am running out of time today to work on this so will leave it to another time to pick up.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Rene Moreira Wayfarer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bruce:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thank you for your insight.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I do have the same ideia as you about this draft card. I will keep this information with me, but pending on further proof.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Darlene, Bruce, Elliot and others:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                As suggested, I will create a genealogical tree at the website "Family Tree" for Darlene. As I have so many information and prooves about her family, I think this is easy and fast if I do so. After I put most of the data, I will share the link with you.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I was researching yesterday at the Agency responsible for finding POW/MIA (Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency (DPAA)) and could not find William's name. So maybe, based on this primarily information, he did not disaperead during war neither was made prisioner.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Another information I would like to share is that I am in touch with someone from Darlene's Family. I would ask her some information about Darlene that could help us out in the case. Any news I will inform you all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I will keep trying to find Diane's cousins.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Best regards and wish you all a good week

                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Rene Moreira

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hi Rene,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bruce recommended that I start a family tree on Family Search.  I did.  My password is Bobcat1962.  I am so confused about who is related to who and why my mother told me so many things that were lies.Why would she do that?  Who or what was she protecting keeps my head spinning.  I must be getting brain dead, because I can't figure out who Darlene and Birger's parents were.  I live in Texas, so my opportunity to do much on the computer has been limited.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hopefully things will be back to normal in a day or two.  I have written a number of places for information and am waiting for replies.  Will let you know when and if I hear anything of value.  Thank you for spending so much time helping me.  Please know you are appreciated.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Diane

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RE: Family Tree on FamilySearch.com

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Diane and also Rene,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Diane, once you signed up, did you enter your information as the start of a Family Tree?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Rene,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You said you started a Family Tree for Darlene.  Is that correct? 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If so, we can start to collaborate on this tree with Diane and Elliott if he cares to join in with citations that we have in the HistoryHub blog.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi Bruce,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I did start a family tree on FamilySearch.com as you suggested.  My username is:  Bobcat1962.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I hope it is what you,  Rene, and Elliot hoped for. I put in all that I know to be true, which isn't much.  Any help any of you can provide will, as always, be very appreciated.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            About 7 years ago, when it fist started to be a big thing, I did a DNA test with CRIgenetics .  Before I tested, I called and asked if their test would help me locate my "lost" father.  They said it definitely would.  When I got the test back, I called again and was told I had just misunderstood what they could provide.  I called and asked to buy my complete data, as you suggested.  I was told it was their property and only their scientists have access to it.  The lady was rude, when I told her I felt I have been lied to and stolen from.  So, I guess I will retake the DNA test at 23 and Me or Anchestry.  Which is preferable?  What is no one from William R."s side of the family has ever submitted their DNA.  If he was an only child and did die in the war, nothing will show up, am I correct.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I wish I had another means of asking questions so I don't have so much posted on History Hub.  Any suggestions will be most welcome. Sitting in the dark so many hours over the last week or so, things from the past have come to mind

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            How can I see the family tree for Darlene?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks everyone for all you are doing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Diane

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Diane,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Rene and I have been busy on the Family Tree site building out your ancestry and relative's trees.  We haven't made any verifiable progress on your father although there are some clues we are pursuing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                As Rene mentioned earlier, your aunts Lillian and Evonne lived until 1975 and 2006.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                We have not found any children for Lillian and her husband James H. Jackson because they may not have been together.  We're only about 80% certain at this point.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                We did find children of your uncle Jean (Gene) Larson and his wife Evonne Augusta Lacey: Barbara Larson Ricenbaw, Gayle Larson Mamer and Susanne Christine Larson.  Unfortunately they have all passed on including their spouses.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Gayle did have three children who would be 3 cousins at this point.  They are Jamie Gayle Mamer Rosenthal, Jeana Christine Mamer and Justine Lacey Mamer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                You can see most of this by going back to Family Search and finding your tree by entering your name in the search or by entering your mother's maiden name Ione Larson. 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Looking at your tree with the known, sourced and cited, relationships is a good start to finding more information on both sides of your parents families.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                -Bruce

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                PS - I will be offline for the next few days attending the RootsTech online conference which is free this year. 

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Diane and Others,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I strongly urge you to login to the free RootsTech conference sponsored by Family Search.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    There are hundreds of sessions on every topic from beginner to advanced research and others.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Start/click here with how to use the RootsTech website:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Series • Learn How to Use the RootsTech Site • RootsTech Connect 2021 • FamilySearch

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Then start with the Guide page which groups the sessions into major topical blocks:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Guide Me • RootsTech Connect 2021 • FamilySearch

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    They have a Connect with family section.  Now that you have some of your tree entered you may be able to connect with your family.  Since Gayle's children are likely alive, you will need to enter their names into the Tree yourself as live people can only be seen by the person who entered them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    You will have the opportunity to learn a lot.  They even have free one on one help sessions.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hi Bruce,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I joined in a couple of days ago.  I am excited to learn as much as I can.  Thanks for recommending some sessions for me.   Got to leave.  More later.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Diane

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Dear Bruce and Rene,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I hope I am on my way to unraveling all least some of the mysteries that surrounded my mother.  All these years I knew Jim Jackson, but never knew her was Lillian's son until I saw her husband's name.  I thought he was just a friend of my half-brother.  So, when I saw the name James Henns Jackson, I realized the James (JIM) I knew was her son.  So I dug around in all my old letters and address books and found his address.  I have written him and hope to have a reply within a week, via e-mail or phone call.  I hope I'm not getting my hopes up.  He may not know anything about my father, but can probably answer why there have been and are so many secrets.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I tried to learn as much as I could from the convention.  Some of it was way over my head, but I learned a lot of basics I never knew, so I am really glad I joined.  Hope you both enjoyed it as well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Diane

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Diane,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Glad you learned some good tools at the RootsTech conference!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Also glad you made the connection with Jim Kent Jackson.  This is one of the main reasons I suggested we start a family tree.  The chance to find and connect with still living relatives who may be able to help you out.  I didn't see your post #119 until after I posted #120.  See my post about finding Jim K. in Idaho.  I think his son is there too and I provided an address for the company he owns and runs.  Of course, if you have his home address that is even better!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                As I suggested in my post, see if he knows if his sister (your cousin), Pamela is still alive and if he can put you in contact with her.  Ask him about other cousins that may still be alive or even 2nd cousins that might be able to help.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It would be great if we could find another clue about William R. Nelson that would allow us to narrow it down from the thousands that are out there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Good luck and keep Rene and I posted on what you learn.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                -Bruce

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hi Bruce,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    When I knew Jim, he and his family lived in Wauconda, Illinois on some acreage.  I never went there and didn't know anything about him, except that he was my half-brother's friend.  Later, I knew he was a vocational teacher at Mundelein High School.  He allegedly lived and worked there until the death of his father.  Then he moved back to the family home and commuted a short distance to work, where he introduced aviation into the school curriculum.  My mother was so proud of him.  When I went back for a visit in 1989, we went to the school to see the airplane he and his students were building.  I think it's the one that flew to the Arctic and back.  Then I heard nothing more about him.  In fact when my mother died in 1991, I have heard nothing about any of the family sense.  I was never notified of Louis Tedei's death or that my half-brother died.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I put a lengthy letter in the mail Monday morning.  I doubt that he will ever get it, because the address I had was for the family home in Wauconda.  However, I did send an e-mail to Aviation Education Services, in care of Jim Jackson, asking for verification that I have the right person.  Maybe I will hear something tomorrow.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The grand child, Matt Thomas, is James Kent Jackson's son.  Like his father, he was a star high school gymnast.  I read that in an article about Jim a couple of days ago.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Rene gave me her e-mail through Family Search, so we made contact today for the 1st time.  There are so many questions about my mother floating in my mind, like how she ever managed to have the job she had with so little education and how did she manage 3 children (one suffering from vegetative retardation) work, take care of a husband, and travel the world repairing theatre pipe organs

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I just don't understand any of it!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Diane

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Hi Elliot,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          OMG!!!! I don't even know what to say.  Obviously my father didn't die in the war. Now I am wondering who betrayed who?  My mother told me so many lies over the year like, "I have no idea where he was born or raised or anything about his parents, etc., etc."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bruce put some stuff on FamilySearch.org for me.  For the 1st time I found out that my mother's sister didn't die in the late 30s or early 40s.  All these years I thought she died without being married or giving birth.  Wrong!  When I saw that her last name was Jackson and that her husband's name was James, I wondered if my half-brother's best friend, Jim Jackson, was our cousin.  So I made contact with the Jim Jackson I knew.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, he is our cousin.  While he has no idea why all the secrets, he will help try to get to the bottom of all this.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't know how to do links, but if you will search, "Mundelein Takes to the Skies" you will learn some really interesting things about Jim Jackson.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The information you gave me is just overwhelming.  I've got to try to process it, in this old mind, and try to figure out what to do with that information.  I'm a little bit confused.  I'm assuming the William R. Nelson is my father's father, because in 1944 my dad wouldn't be old enough to have a son of marriage age, so might "Wayne" be my father's brother?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If you would be kind enough to post this on Family Search I would be sooooooooooo appreciative.  My username is Bobcat62.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I just can't say thank you enough.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Diane

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Elliot,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            These are interesting hints but we need to tie them any one of them back to the William R. Nelson that married Ione.  A name coincidence alone does not prove a linkage.  I checked the 1940 US Census and there were over 800 William Nelson's listed in Iowa alone and 5 living in Sioux City.   Supposedly, our William R. Nelson was living in Los Angeles at the time.....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bruce

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hi Bruce,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've been trying to follow up on your possibilities.  The 1st can't be my father, because in 1944 he wouldn't be old enough to have a son who served in WWII.  However, because there are William R.s in Sioux City, Waterloo, Council Bluffs and Cedar Rapids, I will try to check them out in each town.  The  William R. in the 2nd attachment, probably isn't my father.  I contacted the leader of the Knights of Pythias and he responded with this:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgxwLsmhPSNlWvBVDmnhfCCbdFvKg?projector=1&messagePartId=0.1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              He's not sure where "Bill" as he knew him, lived or anything about his personal life.  But, I'm still trying to find out where he lived.  I know he didn't live in Cedar Rapids, though he and his wife were always making headlines with their charitable acts.  I'm trying to track him down in Waterloo and Sioux City.  If he's not either place, I'll try Council Bluffs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Like I said before, Monday I will try to get a hold of my contact at the Sioux City National Guard.  It has occurred to me that if this William R. was a home town boy, he and my mother may have had a relationship in school.  I haven't had much luck, online, with the Sioux City Library, so I will call them the 1st chance I get.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              My cousin, Jim Jackson, has no idea how or when his parents went from Temple, Texas to Illinois or why.  He said he's talk to my half-brother's wife this weekend and let me know if she has any information.  We both doubt it, but we both hope.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Stay safe,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Diane

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Diane,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The link you posted is to your email message and because it is still in your email account others cannot click on it and see it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Do you know how to select, copy and paste text from one item, like an email, to another like this post? 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If not, then watch this very short Youtube video to show you how to do it: How to copy and paste in Windows using only your mouse - YouTube

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  For the message from the Knights of Pythias, you first open the email, select the text as instructed in the video and copy.  You then go the History Hub website, sign in, and do a reply to a message in this post.  You then paste the text into the message box just as the video shows.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You can then add or change anything else until you send the message.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  -Bruce

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Diane,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    CORRECTIONS IN RED:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Roy Nelson I was tracking down was born in 1904 per the draft card but not in Minnesota as I thought - I would have to find his birth record in Sioux City but do not plan to pursue at this time unless other info develops to point to him again.  If he had married at age 18 in 1922 he could have had a son by 1923 who would have been 20 years old in 1943. So, I did not rule him out as a possible father to a William R.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    On the other hand, as it turns out, he did not marry Orrene until 1928 so it probably rules him out as your grandfather.  However, it does not rule him out as your father although I admit it is not likely.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    There is a minor discrepancy (aren't there a lot with this particular search!) - in the 1930 Census he says he first married at age 19 while Orrene says age 25.  However, I have not yet found another marriage record for him around 1923 - I was hoping to find one with at least the name Emma and if they had a child it could have been William - a stretch I know.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Roy would have been 39 in 1943 so definitely on the older side for Ione.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I know he grew up in and lived in Sioux City for many years likely until he married Orrene in Clay County, Minnesota in 1928 which is 5-6 hours north of Sioux City.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    After he married Orrene, they left for Colorado working together as traveling salespeople.  Before 1935 they settled in Los Angeles for at least the remainder of Orrene's life.  We know he filled out a draft card in 1942.  What I don't know is if he actually served in the military.  If he did, was he stationed in or near Sioux City before shipping out?  If he was, he was already very familiar with the area.  Could he have been unscrupulous and taken advantage of Ione never planning to return to Sioux City?  Or was he killed in action?  So far, I cannot find any records that are clearly tied to him after 1942 so all this is pure conjecture.  Right now, I plan to work on finding other relations on your mother's side that might be able to shed light on the story.  I may come back to this line after that with fresh eyes and new thoughts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Finally, did Jim put you in contact with his sister Pamela?.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bruce Altobelli Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Diane,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Family Tree is coming along nicely.  I did message you on the site about your discussion with Jim Jackson with questions about his claim you are not related.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Also, I found another child of Amund and Inger who was born in 1910 but passed away at the age of 9 in 1919.  Her name was also Lillian Christina Larson.  The aunt you might remember as Lillian was born 2 years later in 1921.  This was very common to give the same name after the death of a child, especially if the child that passed was named after one of the grandparents or parents.  In this case, it looks like both Lillian Christine's were given the middle name of the first name of Amund's mother, Kristina.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Just another branch filled in and perhaps answers a question about an early death in the family.........

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  -Bruce

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Diane Schwaighofer Adventurer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bruce,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I guess I misled you.  James Kent Jackson (Jim) who was born just a couple of months after me didn't understand what WE were never told we were related.  He did not know that one of Lillian's sisters had died.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      He couldn't understand why they would name his wife after their dead child.  Like you, I did know that was a common practice back then.  You'd be amazed at how much I told Jim about his family that he had no idea about.  Been at the doctor's office most of day, so don't remember all that I was going to respond to on FamilySearch, so in a little bit I'll get on there and answer your questions, I hope.  Till then---Diane