9 Replies Latest reply on Jul 18, 2021 1:04 PM by Martin Miller

    Seeking military information about Max Gordon

    Martin Miller Newbie

      I am seeking information about my uncle, Max Gordon, who died of wounds July 13, 1944 in France. I know that he enlisted in 1943 and was assigned to 78th Infantry Division, 310th Regiment, G Company. The 78th ID arrived ETO in October 1944, but the telegram from the War Department says he died of wounds on July 13, 1944, which was before the Division saw action. (His purple heart certificate confirms this date.) How can I find out what Division he was transferred to? Did he take part in D-Day?

        • Re: Seeking military information about Max Gordon
          Elliot Schneider Ranger

          Mr. Miller,

           

          Here is some information below. Also I looked in the 310 INF Regiment book and he was not listed in their book under Company G.  Please also look at the following from the limited Hospital Records search.  NARA has not allowed certain medical information to be copied by the third party company that digitized these, so you will see that information is missing. I would suggest obtaining a copy of his IDPF's File otherwise known as Individual Deceased Personnel Files.

           

          Individual Deceased Personnel File (IDPF) from 1940-1976 for personnel with surnames that begin with A-L are in the custody of the National Archives at St. Louis (RL-SL), P.O. Box 38757, St. Louis, MO 63138-1002. For access to these records, please contact RL-SL via email at stl.archives@nara.gov.

           

          Field TitleValueMeaning
          ARMY SERIAL NUMBER3282814032828140
          NAMEGORDON#MAX##############GORDON#MAX##############
          RESIDENCE: STATE23NEW YORK
          RESIDENCE: COUNTY005BRONX
          PLACE OF ENLISTMENT2364NEW YORK CITY NEW YORK
          DATE OF ENLISTMENT DAY0909
          DATE OF ENLISTMENT MONTH0303
          DATE OF ENLISTMENT YEAR4343
          GRADE: ALPHA DESIGNATIONPVT#Private
          GRADE: CODE8Private
          BRANCH: ALPHA DESIGNATIONNO#No branch assignment
          BRANCH: CODE02No branch assignment
          FIELD USE AS DESIRED##
          TERM OF ENLISTMENT5Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
          LONGEVITY######
          SOURCE OF ARMY PERSONNEL0Civil Life
          NATIVITY23NEW YORK
          YEAR OF BIRTH2323
          RACE AND CITIZENSHIP1White, citizen
          EDUCATION51 year of college
          CIVILIAN OCCUPATION992Undefined Code
          MARITAL STATUS6Single, without dependents
          COMPONENT OF THE ARMY7Selectees (Enlisted Men)
          CARD NUMBER##
          BOX NUMBER05710571
          FILM REEL NUMBER2.2352.235

           

           

           

           

           

          Thanks,

           

          Elliot Schneider

            • Re: Seeking military information about Max Gordon
              Martin Miller Newbie

              Mr Schneider,

               

              Thanks a million.  I will take your advice and contact St Louis for his records.

               

              What is the purpose of the image of the Kings County page?   He was living in Bronx Country.

               

              -Marty

                • Re: Seeking military information about Max Gordon
                  Elliot Schneider Ranger

                  Mr. Miller,

                   

                  These were records produced by the counties of each state that a solider lived in that was either KIA, DOW, or MIA apparently when I looked at under Bronx he was not on that list but showed up under Kings County could have been an error when recording there loss or simply that where he lived may have at that point in time fallen under the zip code of Kings County.

                   

                   

                  Hope this helps,

                   

                  Elliot

                    • Re: Seeking military information about Max Gordon
                      Martin Miller Newbie

                      Ah, yes.  Now I see his name and his Selective Service Number.  It is strange.  As far as I know, he never lived in Kings County (Brooklyn).  The family lived in The Bronx, and he went to Kansas State Univ. He enlisted after his freshman year, and the records show that his address at the time of enlistment was The Bronx.

                      The code for Bronx County is "5", and perhaps the person making the list thought it looked like the coder for Kings County?

                      Thanks for finding this.

                  • Re: Seeking military information about Max Gordon
                    Elliot Schneider Ranger

                    Here was the limited information that allowed to be released by NARA to the "General Public" that the third party was allowed to copy to digitized WW2 Hospital Card Information. The other information that is not on here would have to be requested by a FOIA because he's your uncle or find the cousins to your Uncle Max. I'm not sure why this information his limited but I'm sure it has to do with "HIPPA Laws". But until its determined by law based on the age of those records until they can be released to the general public just like ww2 records are mostly viewable to the general public due to the age of the records itself 62 years.

                     

                    Name:Max Gordon
                    Rank:Enlisted Man
                    Admission Date:Jul 1944
                    Discharge Date:Jul 1944
                    Military Branch:Infantry, General or Unspecified
                    Diagnosis:CausativeAgent: None or Unknown
                    Type of Injury:Casualty, battle
                    Injured in Line of Duty:In line of duty
                    Type of Discharge:Died
                    Service Number:32828140

                     

                     

                    Hope this helps,

                     

                    Elliot

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                  • Re: Seeking military information about Max Gordon
                    Jason Atkinson Ranger

                    Dear Mr. Miller,

                     

                    Thank you for posting your request on History Hub!

                     

                    We suggest that you request a copy of his Official Military Personnel File (OMPF). OMPFs and individual medical reports for enlisted soldiers and officers of the U.S. Army who were separated from the service after October 1912 and prior to 1958 are in the custody of NARA's National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis. In many cases where personnel records were destroyed in the 1973 fire, proof of service can be provided from other records such as morning reports, payrolls, and military orders, and a certificate of military service will be issued. Please complete a GSA Standard Form 180 and mail it to NARA's National Personnel Records Center, (Military Personnel Records), 1 Archives Drive, St. Louis, MO  63138-1002. If there is any information requested by the form which you do not know, you may omit it or provide estimates, however the more information you provide, the easier it will be to locate the correct file if it survived the fire.  Please use his date of death as the “Date Release.” For more information see Official Military Personnel Files (OMPF), Archival Records Requests.

                     

                    We searched the Access to Archival Databases (AAD) and located the World War II Army Enlistment Records database that includes five files pertaining to persons named Max Gordon who enlisted in 1943. If one of these is a match for your uncle, please use the information in this file when requesting a copy of his/her Official Military Personnel File (OMPF). Please note that because this database does not include those who joined as officers and also because there are gaps where the original records were unavailable or unusable, not all those that joined the Army in this time period are listed in the database.

                     

                    Also, we suggest that you request his Individual Deceased Personnel File (IDPF). IDPFs from 1940-1976 for personnel with surnames that begin with A-L are in the custody of the National Archives at St. Louis (RL-SL). RL-SL also has morning reports for Army units from November 1, 1912 to 1959 and copies of most of the monthly rosters from November 1912 - 1943. For information about these records, please contact RL-SL via email at stl.archives@nara.gov. Rosters for units serving in World War II from 1944 - 1946 were destroyed in accordance with Army disposition authorities.

                     

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                    We hope this is helpful. Best of luck with your family research!