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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Elliot Schneider Oct 9, 2020 9:21 AM (in response to Christopher Faust)Mr. Faust,
Please copy and paste this link in your web browser. Looks like Union forces renamed this after Confederate forces failed to re-take the Arsenal and named it. Fort Williams. Also you might want to reach out to the museum that they have.
https://www.visitbatonrouge.com/listing/old-arsenal-museum/250/
http://www.fortwiki.com/Baton_Rouge_Arsenal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Barracks
http://www.simmonsgames.com/research/authors/USWarDept/ORA/OR-S3-V1.html
Hope this helps,
Elliot Schneider
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Christopher Faust Oct 9, 2020 1:29 PM (in response to Elliot Schneider)I have already reviewed the above links and they did not provide a clear answer as to Who, name, was the Commander ( or in charge) of the Arsenal during the period of early 1863 through the Spring of the same year.
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Elliot Schneider Oct 9, 2020 4:02 PM (in response to Christopher Faust)Christopher,
I found reference to the 1866 Commander
I would suggest calling that Arsenal Museum follow the link they may have some archives available.
- 900 State Capitol Drive Baton Rouge, LA 70802
- (225) 219-3700
Plus you can seek records within this RG 393 under 393.7 Records of Posts. Unfortunately you will need to wait until NARA in College Park, MA re-opens currently they are not resuming normal business operations. Please keep track of any changes via their website.
https://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/393.html
http://youngsanders.org/CivilWarinBatonRougeTourBrochure-3pg.pdf
Hope this helps,
Elliot Schneider
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Alice Lane Oct 9, 2020 10:00 AM (in response to Christopher Faust)Hi Christopher,
Welcome to History Hub
This article, from the internet, may be of interest to you
Alice Lane
Research Volunteer
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Christopher Faust Oct 9, 2020 1:31 PM (in response to Alice Lane)Thank you for your reply but your references covers activities at the Arsenal in 1862 not 1863.
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Alice Lane Oct 9, 2020 5:54 PM (in response to Christopher Faust)Hi again Christopher,
From this article it looks like Colonel Thomas W. Cahill was in charge in 1863
he took over command after General Williams was killed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9th_Connecticut_Infantry_Regiment
Subsequent service in Louisiana and Virginia[edit]
At Baton Rouge, Louisiana, Williams was killed under a Confederate charge on August 5. Colonel Thomas W Cahill took command of all the Union troops and repulsed the attack. The regiment was highly praised after the battle and subsequently assigned to the defenses of New Orleans through the end of 1863.
In the spring of 1864, the regiment arrived home in New Haven on veteran furlough amidst great celebration and parades. The re-enlisted veterans landed at Bermuda Hundred, Virginia, outside Richmond in July and participated in a engagement at Deep Bottom. After a brief trip to the Washington D.C. area, they saw action in the Shenandoah Valley area with battles at Opequon, Cedar Creek, and Fishers Hill. The final veterans were mustered out in August 1865.
A total of 250 men from the regiment died during the war.
John C. Curtis, the regiment's 17-year-old sergeant major, received the Medal of Honor for his actions at Baton Rouge in August 1862.
http://www.fortwiki.com/Baton_Rouge_Arsenal
Union forces took back the barracks and arsenal for the duration of the war after the battle of Baton Rouge, 5 Aug 1862. They constructed an earthworks around both the arsenal and the barracks that was named Fort Williams (2) after Union General Thomas Williams (Cullum 902) who was killed in the battle of Baton Rouge. After the U.S. Civil War the arsenal was used to store surrendered arms and ordnance from dismantled fortifications.
Alice Lane
Research Volunteer
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Christopher Faust Oct 13, 2020 5:33 PM (in response to Alice Lane)Alice, Thanks for this information. I know that the Michigan 6th Infantry was there at the arsenal because they left graffiti on the wall but that was during and after the failed Confederate counter offensive to reclaim Baton Rouge and their move north as part of the XIX Corps siege of Port Hudson while U.S. Grant was laying siege to Vicksburg. I have been able to research the officer and he was part of the New York 159th Infantry Regiment Co. D. but I am trying to find some documentation that connects him to the Arsenal in Baton Rouge. Thank you for looking
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Elliot Schneider Oct 14, 2020 9:49 AM (in response to Christopher Faust)1 person found this helpfulHello Christopher,
Thought you would like to see this. Also look at link 6th Michigan Command was LT COL Edward Bacon. Look at page #20 pertain to the Siege of Port Hudson.
https://dmna.ny.gov/historic/reghist/civil/infantry/177thInf/177thInf_Article_Stenzel.pdf
Hope this gives you some additional research ideas.
Elliot Schneider
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
J. Andrew Oct 21, 2020 10:30 AM (in response to Christopher Faust)If I might offer a bit of advice, if you are trying to solicit help in researching a specific individual, it is best that you start your request by providing that person's name and anything you already know such as his unit. It is also best to share what records you have already found, so that we don't just duplicate what you've already done. After all, what you really want to do is learn more about this officer, not about the commander of the Baton Rogue arsenal who may not have been the officer you are researching.
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Christopher Faust Oct 21, 2020 10:27 PM (in response to J. Andrew)I am not trying to solicit help on researching a specific person, I have already done that. What I need to know is exactly what you said I don't want. I want to know if the officer I have researched was the commander of the arsenal. Because for some reason the NCOs and the privates of said Arsenal presented him with a medal,
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Elliot Schneider Oct 22, 2020 9:40 AM (in response to Christopher Faust)1 person found this helpfulChris,
It is very informative you when conducting research to provide individuals name. Because when you apply the name into certain search criteria's and parameters, chances are you can narrow it down. But here is some additional information pertaining to badges of the civil war. So it would be very helpful to all that are helping you with your quest.
Thanks,
Elliot Schneider
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
J. Andrew Oct 22, 2020 6:25 PM (in response to Elliot Schneider)Bit of trivia: In addition to the shape, the badges also came in different colors based on which division with the Corps a unit was assigned to.
Red — First division of corps
White — Second division of corps
Blue — Third division of corps
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Christopher Faust Oct 23, 2020 9:33 AM (in response to J. Andrew)I learned this from park Interpretive Ranger from LA near Baton Rouge. One thing he did add to this is that for the XIX Corps. They used Blue to represent the 2nd Division and Usually there would be a number in the middle to represent the Brigade or something like that. In the case of this medal/badge, it has a Star which he stated means having to do with the General's Staff. He is well versed in historical Military affairs and his job is to share historical facts of the southern LA. So I am guessing he knows what he is talking about.
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Elliot Schneider Oct 22, 2020 9:45 AM (in response to Christopher Faust)Is is T. A. Lereta or Leretz picture is a little fuzzy
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Christopher Faust Oct 22, 2020 3:59 PM (in response to Elliot Schneider)C.A Loretz. as in Charles Albert Loretz. I have his military career and background already.
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Alice Lane Oct 13, 2020 10:36 PM (in response to Christopher Faust)Hi again Christopher,
Don't know if your soldier is listed...would you like to share his name.
Men who served in the 19th Corp. A-L AND L-Z
tell if living or deceased and resident.
http://files.usgwarchives.net/la/state/military/wbts/units/19th00ak.txt
http://files.usgwarchives.net/la/state/military/wbts/units/19th00lz.txt
Alice Lane
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Jason AtkinsonOct 21, 2020 11:29 AM (in response to Christopher Faust)
2 people found this helpfulDear Mr. Faust,
Thank you for posting your request on History Hub!
In regards to your first question about identifying the commander of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863, we searched the National Archives Catalog and located 7 records series created by Baton Rouge Barracks, Louisiana, but none of these series include records from 1862. There may be records relating to the appointment of a commanding officer in 1862 in the various correspondence series in the Records of the Adjutant General's Office, 1762 - 1917 (Record Group 94). We also searched online and located an article on the Battle of Baton Rouge which indicates that General Cuvier Grover was left in charge of the garrison at Baton Rouge in December 1862.In regards to researching the military service of an officer of the 159th New York Volunteer Infantry, we searched the National Archives Catalog and located the series Carded Records Showing Military Service of Soldiers Who Fought in Volunteer Organizations During the American Civil War in Record Group 94. Most of the service records in this series have been made available via microfilm and through digitization of the microfilm. Unfortunately, the records for the 159th New York Volunteers have not been microfilmed or digitized. This series is indexed by the Indexes to the Carded Records of Soldiers Who Served in Volunteer Organizations During the Civil War, 1899 - 1927 in Record Group 94. Some of the index cards have been digitized and may be searched using “Search within this series” function. There may also be a pension file for him, most of which have not been digitized.
To order copies of service and pension records which have not yet been digitized, please fill out a NATF Form 86 for the service records and a NATF Form 85 for the pension records and mail the completed forms to the address listed on the form. For more information see Requesting Copies of Older (pre-WWI) Military Service Records. Please note that the option to order online using eservices.archives.gov has been suspended.
We also located Regimental and Company Books of Civil War Volunteer Union Organizations, 1861 - 1867 in Record Group 94 that includes Regimental and Company Books of the 159th New York Infantry Regiment. See our blog Records Relating to Civil War Units for a list of additional records series and other sources relating to individual units.
All of the previously mentioned Civil War Army records are in the custody of the National Archives at Washington, DC (RDT1). Please email RDT1 at Archives1reference@nara.gov for more information.
Due to the COVID-19 pandemic and pursuant to guidance received from the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), NARA has adjusted its normal operations to balance the need of completing its mission-critical work while also adhering to the recommended social distancing for the safety of NARA staff. As a result of this re-prioritization of activities, you may experience a delay in receiving an initial acknowledgement as well as a substantive response to your reference request from RDT1. Also, NARA has suspended non-emergency reproduction and digitization services until further notice due to COVID-19. Orders will not be serviced until operations can resume safely. Once operations resume, document reproduction requests will be filled in the order in which they were received. We apologize for any inconvenience.
Since the officer you are researching was part of a New York unit, we suggest that you also contact the New York State Archives.
Please note that there were no official military medals awarded during the Civil War other than the Medal of Honor. It is unlikely that there will be a federal or state record of an unofficial medal that was presented by the men of a unit as a token of appreciation to their officer.
We hope this information is helpful. Best of luck with your research!
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Christopher Faust Oct 21, 2020 10:39 PM (in response to Jason Atkinson)I believe I have seen your references because I have been through the New York Military Historical Research facility in Sarasota, NY. I understand that it was not a medal presented by the federal or state government but it was a metal presented to the LT from Men who he served in some capacity. I am just trying to find a connection, I appreciate everyones input and suggestions and when things open up a little more I may try to learn more about what happened at the arsenal in March, April of 1863. Until then I will consider this questioned answered to the best of your ability.
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Elliot Schneider Oct 22, 2020 1:44 PM (in response to Christopher Faust)1 person found this helpful -
Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Christopher Faust Oct 23, 2020 9:26 AM (in response to Elliot Schneider)Got this already, thanks
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Elliot Schneider Oct 22, 2020 1:45 PM (in response to Christopher Faust)Chris,
Found were he is buried. Copy and paste link.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/67769552/charles-joseph_albert-loretz
Elliot Schneider
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Christopher Faust Oct 23, 2020 9:27 AM (in response to Elliot Schneider)Have this previously, thanks you
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
J. Andrew Oct 22, 2020 6:16 PM (in response to Christopher Faust)If you are really lucky the Regimental Letter Book or the Order Book for Companies A - I might mention his being detailed to Ordnance. Maybe also something in the Morning Reports for Companies D and F.
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Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
Alice Lane Oct 22, 2020 11:07 AM (in response to Christopher Faust)3 people found this helpful -
Re: Who was in charge of the Baton Rouge Arsenal in 1863?
J. Andrew Oct 22, 2020 6:45 PM (in response to Christopher Faust)I'm inclined to think the information Elliot Schneider and Alice Lane found about him being an acting ordnance officer based out of Baton Rouge explains a lot. He may or may not have been the commander of the arsenal, but he was likely assigned to them and at the very least as an ordnance officer he certainly would have interacted with them a great deal.
Still, I'd concur with the suggestion that you request his Consolidate Military Service Record (CMSR) and his pension file. No matter what you found online or at New York Military Historical Research, it isn't going to include his CMSR and federal pension file which likely has at least some information you haven't already located.
This isn't the full file, just the index card to his CMSR. You might want to attach it to your order for the service record.
Since he was discharged on disability, there might also be something relevant in the Carded Medical Records of Officers, 1861 - 1865 or the Carded Medical Records of Volunteer Soldiers in the Mexican and Civil Wars, 1846 - 1865. These are ordered separate from the the CMSR. Email the National Archives to ask about those.
This is his pension index card you can attach to your order for his pension record.