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Re: Seeking passenger lists departing from NY in 1912 to Bremen
Rebecca Collier
Feb 13, 2020 7:28 AM
2 people found this helpfulDear Ms. Stachnik,
Thank you for posting your request on History Hub!
We searched the National Archives Catalog and located one series titled Registers of Vessels Departing from New York, New York, 8/11/1917-12/31/1971 in the Records of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (Record Group 85) that may contain information about departures from New York in 1913. The records are not yet digitized and available in the Catalog. For access to this series, please contact the National Archives at Washington - Textual Reference (RDT1) via email at archives1reference@nara.gov.
We suggest that you contact the National Archives of the European country where the persons may have arrived; and inquire about passenger arrival lists for ports of entry.
We hope this is helpful. Best of luck with your family research!
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Re: Seeking passenger lists departing from NY in 1912 to Bremen
HI, I have a follow-up question. In general, was any type of documentation needed for travel outside of the US at that time? In 1912/1913, my grandmother was not a US citizen. And not a Polish citizen either; Galicia was part of the Austrian Empire. So what, if any, type of paperwork might she have had, to show where she lived? Thank you
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Re: Seeking passenger lists departing from NY in 1912 to Bremen
Rebecca Collier
Mar 4, 2020 2:22 PM
2 people found this helpfulDear Ms. Stachnik,
Thank you for posting your follow-up request on History Hub!
As a general rule, the U.S. government only issued passports to U.S. citizens. There were two exceptions to this: aliens who had declared their intent to become a naturalized citizen could obtain a passport under the Act of Congress of 3/3/1863, which was repealed 3/30/1866, and again under the Act of Congress of 3/2/1907, which was repealed 6/4/1920. Until 1941, U.S. citizens were not required to have a passport for travel abroad (except for brief periods during the Civil War and WWI). Therefore, it is unlikely that your grandmother would have had a U.S. passport.
Except for a brief time during the Civil War, it was not until WWI that alien visitors were required to have visas in order to enter the U.S. Your grandmother would not have a visa record. She only needed to purchase a valid ticket to travel. An act which would not have required special documentation.
We hope this information is helpful.
[Information provided by Elizabeth Burnes, Subject Matter Expert]
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Re: Seeking passenger lists departing from NY in 1912 to Bremen
Ms. Collier, thank you very much for the reply. It answers a lot of questions. joan
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Re: Seeking passenger lists departing from NY in 1912 to Bremen
1 person found this helpfulYou may also want to check the UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 record set on Ancestry.com. These record the ship passengers coming into the United Kingdom & Ireland. A lot of ships going to Europe made stops.
I don’t know if all passengers on ships stopping at U.K./Irish ports would appear, or only people who disembarked there. If your grandmother’s ship stopped in the U.K. or Ireland on its way to Bremen, it might be worth taking a look.
Good Luck!