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Burial case files (later called the Individual Deceased Personnel File or IDPF) from 1915-WWII are in the custody of the National Archives at St. Louis (RL-SL), P.O. Box 38757, St. Louis, MO 63138-1002. For access to these records, please contact RL-SL via email at email@example.com.
For WWII-1976, the National Archives at St. Louis (RL-SL) currently holds the Army Individual Deceased Personnel Files for men with surnames A-L. They have not yet received the records of veterans with surnames M-Z. In order to request those records please write to U.S. Army Human Resources Command, Casualty & Memorial Affairs Operations Division, ATTN: AHRC-PDC, 1600 Spearhead Division Avenue, Department 450, Fort Knox, KY 40122-5405.
However if he was with the N.Y National Guard prior to being federalized for the war not sure if they would have different records.
Thank you for the tip, Elliot, I'll look into it!
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According to the NARA-AAD enlistment database George F Manning, service number 20253418 was born in New York in 1915, was a member of the New York National Guard prior to federal service and was in the Field Artillery.
Your other George Manning was born in 1916 in Scotland, and served in the 112th Infantry Regiment, 28th Infantry Division. His service number does not come up in the database.
Not saying the couldn't still be the same person but that is what I found.
Texas Military Forces Museum
Thank you, Lisa! It's very helpful.
HI Jody, looking at the Petition for Naturalization, your relative appears to have served in the 108th Field Artillery Battalion, Battery C. Since you know he was in this unit in June 1944 and stationed in England, you could try looking through the morning reports for this unit, starting with this date. The MRs would list transfers, men killed in action, etc., which might give you information as to what happened to him. These are available at the St. Louis National Archives.
Also, Familysearch.org (a free service after registration) has a ship manifest, listing a Frank George Manning (age 6) arriving in NY with his aunt (Margaret King) in Sept 23 1922 on the Cameronia from Glasgow (sorry if you already have this information). But I would think the two Mannings you mention in your post are not related.
And as per Elliot's suggestion, also try to request his official military files from the St. Louis Archives. Although most files were destroyed, sometimes there is information available. Hope this is of some help. joan
Thanks Joan, this is very helpful!
The ship manifest you found is correct, that is definitely my George Francis (Frank) Manning.
I have also long thought that there were two George F Mannings in NY to untangle. Hopefully I can do that definitively.
For me, the confusion stems from the fact that the 1936 address of George F Manning born in 1915 in NY appears to be the same as that of 'my' George F Manning in 1940 on the census (stating he was also living at the same address in 1935). It seems odd, and I would love to be able to confirm for definite that they were two different people.
You mention the Morning Reports – I assume that these are not available online? I am not able to come to St. Louis (alas!)
Hi Jody, no MRs are not online. They are microfilm at the St. Louis Archives and include the daily activities of a military unit, as well as changes in unit personnel (transfers, wounded, missing, KIA, AWOL, furloughs, etc). I don't know if you can request copies directly from the Archives.
Before I went to the Archives to do the research myself, I did hire a researcher to copy a few months of MRs I wanted for a specific unit (cost was comparable to a trip there for me). They are very useful documents when you are trying to trace someone's military service. Something to consider if you cannot obtain service records for your George Manning. joan
For what it is worth - or more confusing (?) - I did some searches and came up with the following information and want to point out - it is only cursory and no specific authenticity is offered. IF you see some information you believe to be accurate and you can add information - like your Grandmother's name (?) or other family / residence information?
U. S. Social Security Index
Name: George Francis Manning [George F Manning]
Gender: Male Race: White Birth Date: 24 Jun 1916 Birth Place: Flushing L I, New York
Death Date: 28 Sep 1994
Father: John Manning Mother: Ann King
SSN: 132-05-2908 Death Certificate Number: 451831
Notes: Oct 1937: Name listed as GEORGE FRANCIS MANNING; 22 May 1998: Name listed as GEORGE F MANNING
George Manning - age 3 (born abt 1917) - NY
Home: Second Ave. Pelham, Westchester, NY
Son of John J. Manning - born Massachusetts and Anna C. Manning born Canada
Other Household members- All Manning's
Margarette , 21
Alfred F. , 20
James A, 16
John J., 11
George - 3
Anna - months old
1916 NY State Birth Records show George Manning born January 19, 1916 - N. Pelham
1938 NY Marriage License - George F. Manning Married Angelica Marinozzi 6/15/1938
Thank you, Kevin, I'm grateful for your contribution.
I have been convinced for some time that the SSI entry you posted relates to the George F Manning I am researching.
'My' George F Manning's mother was Anne (Anna/Annie) King, born in Scotland and father was John King, also born in Scotland. He travelled over on the SS Cameronia in 1922 accompanied by his 'Aunt' Margaret King, Annie's sister. His parents had arrived in NY a couple of years earlier. In NY he lives with Margaret King and the other King siblings (Patrick, Michael, Helen) and not with his parents. Annie King dies in 1929 (She is buried with her sisters Margaret and Helen – by a veritable twist of fate someone happened to photograph her headstone and post it online....)
Thanks for your help!
Just found this death notice for the George Manning born in Pelham:
Name: George L. Manning Birth Date: 19 Jan 1916 Birth Place: Pelham, Westchester County, New York, United States of America Death Date: 29 Dec 1992 Death Place: Paterson, Passaic County, New Jersey, United States of America Cemetery: Holy Sepulchre Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Totowa, Passaic County, New Jersey, United States of America Has Bio?: Y Father: John Joseph Manning Mother: Anastasia Cecelia Manning URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...
Dear Ms. Manning,
Thank you for posting your request on History Hub!
We searched the World War II Operations Reports, 1940-1948 in the Records of the Adjutant General’s Office (Record Group 407) and located After Action Reports for July 1944 - May 9, 1945 of 108th Field Artillery Battalion. For access to and/or copies, please contact the National Archives at College Park - Textual Reference (RDT2) via email at firstname.lastname@example.org.
We are unable to determine if those two documents included in your request are for the same person. Therefore, we suggest that you request a copy of his Official Military Personnel File (OMPF). OMPFs and individual medical reports for enlisted men of the U.S. Army who were separated from the service after October 1912 and prior to 1955 are in the custody of NARA’s National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis. In many cases where personnel records were destroyed in the 1973 fire, proof of service can be provided from other records such as morning reports, payrolls, and military orders, and a certificate of military service will be issued. Please complete a GSA Standard Form 180 and mail it to NARA’s National Personnel Records Center, (Military Personnel Records), 1 Archives Drive, St. Louis, MO 63138-1002.
We also searched Ancestry and located All Military Results for George Francis Manning; and All Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituary Results. There may be a fee for using Ancestry to access digitized records. However, you may view these records online at one of NARA's facilities for free via a NARA PC. For the nearest NARA location, please consult our web page at https://www.archives.gov/locations/.
We hope this is helpful. Best of luck with your research!
I realised I also have a photo, not sure if it helps.
It's worth noting that he appeared to have a tendency towards embellishment - on his wedding certificate to my grandmother he stated he was a Master Sergeant in a Parachute Battalion, that his father was a hotelier and that his address in New York was the Lexington Hotel.... Family legend has it that soon after they married he was carted away for having gone AWOL and was never seen again...