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Naturalization number on passengers lists

larry jannett Jul 26, 2019 8:47 AM

I'm looking to find all of my grandfather's naturalization and whatever other immigration documents there are. All I have are the census, a 1928 ship's passenger list, and a record of his arrival to America c.1890. When my grandfather returned from a visit to Italy in 1928, the naturalization column on the ship's list(where it asked for court info) had the following for Andrew Jannett...P.P. No 478399/Atlantic County, NJ/1923. The problem is I cannot find any info about this P.P. number(petition?, certifricate?, file?). All of the naturalized passengers had one of these numbers.

I'd like to find out what this number refers to before I send in a USCIS request which I think is probably my last option. The state does not maintain these records and a search at the county level turned up nothing(also using his birth name Fiore Giovanetti). I've also been on every site I can think of searching.

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joan stachnik Jul 29, 2019 9:15 PM (in response to larry jannett)

Larry, there is a blog post that explains some of the marking/annotations on ship manifests (http://greatoaksgrow.blogspot.com/2010/05/guide-to-interpreting-passenger-list.html ). It might be of interest to you. Hope this is of help. joan
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larry jannett Aug 4, 2019 3:43 AM (in response to larry jannett)

Thanks for responding, Joan. I've previously been on that site and could not find anything that refers to that specific abbreviation. Thanks. I'll keep trying.
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Lisha Penn Aug 6, 2019 10:48 AM (in response to larry jannett)

Dear Mr. Jannett,

Thanks for posting your request on History Hub!

Although U.S. passports were not formally required until 1941, there were many cases where American citizens obtained passports for travel abroad. The “PP No.” stands for passport number. You may request passport applications from April 1925 to the present from the State Department at https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/after/passport-records.html.

We suggest that you should contact the Atlantic County court and/or the county clerk at https://atlanticcountyclerk.org/services/naturalization-records/ to inquire about the naturalization record. The notation “Atlantic County, NJ, 1923,” is not directly related to the passport number as it should tie directly to a naturalization record. It appears that Atlantic County naturalization proceedings were completed at several different courts (county, court of common pleas, etc). We also suggest that you may wish to contact these local courthouses in the county to determine if any record exists.

Please contact the National Archives at New York (RE-NY) via email at newyork.archives@nara.gov for any additional advice. RE-NY has custody of naturalization proceedings completed by the Federal courts in New Jersey.

We hope this is helpful. Best of luck with your family research!

[Information provided by Elizabeth Burnes, Subject Matter Expert]

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  larry jannett Aug 8, 2019 11:16 PM (in response to Lisha Penn)
  
  Thank you Lisha. That's exactly what I needed to know. I will send for the passport records and check more of the courts for naturalization before doing USCIS. Thanks very much.
  
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