7 Replies Latest reply on Jan 23, 2020 1:56 PM by George Waldroup

    414th Bomb Squadron (97th Bomb Group) archival records

    George Waldroup Wayfarer

      I am trying to locate the archival records of the 414th Bomb Squadron (97th Bomb Group) to continue my research into may father, Capt/Maj Marvin M. Waldroup Jr. who was shot down on August 27, 1943 over Rimini, Italy in the B-17F (42-30705) named the "Ther-N-Bak" - one of two B-17s so-named.  He was one of two survivors and was captured and interned at StalagLuft I.


      I am also seeking the duty assignments and the "loading list" for the 414th BS which will provide the various B-17s and other aircraft in which he was an aircrew member.


      COL (Ret) George M. Waldroup

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          Elliot Schneider Guide



          Was able to find information on your father in the Army Registers. He was issued AM, OLC, PH, looks like he spent some time in the service. Captured and took prisoners in 1943 Stalag Luft 1 Barth-Vogelsang Prussia 54-12. Hope you could look at the following might be able to order reports from https://www.aviationarchaeology.com/src/reports.htm#MACR  for MACR #1303

          http://www.reddog1944.com/414th_Squadron_Planes_and_Crews.htm#TherNBak for  MACR: 1303


          HISTORY OF THE
          B-17 #42-30705 / THER-N-BAK

          Delivered Denver 15/7/43; Colorado Springs 16/7/43; Kearney 6/8/43; Topeka 12/8/43; Scott 17/8/43; Assigned 347BS/99BG Oudna 31/8/43; transferred 414BS/97BG Depienne 14/11/43; Missing in Action Rimini 27/11/43 with Oscar C. Stedman, Jr.; enemy aircraft, crashed Rimini; Missing Air Crew Report 1303.

          Source: Dave Osborne, B-17 Fortress Master Log*

          CREW 42-30705 / THER-N-BAK

          P1LTOscar C. Stedman, Jr.KIA
          CPCPTMarvin M. Waldroup, Jr.POW
          NAV1LTGeorge H. ShubeKIA
          BOMB2LTWalter B. ParksKIA
          ENG/TTT/SGTRay A. ShipeKIA
          ROT/SGTClarence W. Vaughn, Jr.KIA
          BTS/SGTJames R. MeltonKIA
          WGS/SGTJames W. SandifordKIA
          WGS/SGTJoseph H. ChristiePOW
          TGS/SGTMilton H. SnyderKIA


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            • Re: 414th Bomb Squadron (97th Bomb Group) archival records
              George Waldroup Wayfarer

              Mr. Schneider:


              Thank you for your response.


              I had previously obtained that information - in fact, the MACR 1303 aircrew list was forwarded my myself to that website.  I did make a typo in that submission in that the aircrew member reflected as "Shipe" should have been "Shupe".  I have advised the website of my mistake and suspect it will be corrected in the near future.


              I also have two picture of the aircraft (42-30705) on bombing missions over France:



              He was also a member of the original deployment of the first bombardment to England (Operatioin BOLERO):



              And co-piloted the B-17 "King Kondor" (41-9024) as part of that deployment:



              It is the above "loading lists" of the 414th BS from June 1942 thru 27 November 1943 that I am most interested in obtaining.


              I am submitting a request for his OPF (201) from the MPC in St. Louis and am also considering going to the National Archives in Silver Spring, MD to review the archives of the 97th BG and 414th BS.


              Thank you again for you efforts to assist - it is much appreciated.




              George Waldroup

              COL (Ret), AUS

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            • Re: 414th Bomb Squadron (97th Bomb Group) archival records
              Rebecca Collier Guide

              Dear Col. Waldroup (Ret),


              Thank you for posting your request on History Hub!


              We searched the National Archives Catalog and located two file units titled 97th Bomb Group: Daily Status Report August 1943 - December 1944 from the series titled World War II Combat Operations Reports, 1941 - 1946 in the Records of the Army Air Forces (Record Group 18). We were unable to locate specific records of 414th Bomb Squadron.  Records of lower echelon units sometimes were incorporated into the files of the Bomb Group.


              For access to and/or copies of these records, please contact the National Archives at College Park - Textual Reference (RDT2) via email at archives2reference@nara.gov. They also may be able to provide POW information on him.


              We hope this information is helpful. Best of luck with your family research!


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              • Re: 414th Bomb Squadron (97th Bomb Group) archival records

                Dear Colonel Waldroup,

                    Here is the MACR 1303 for 42-30705 B-17 F 115 BO Ther-N-Bak . Hope this helps!!!

                                        Charles R. Morgan (15th AAF Historian)page 1page 2page 3page 4page 5page 6page 7page 8page 9page 10page 11page 12page 13page 14

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                • Re: 414th Bomb Squadron (97th Bomb Group) archival records
                  Kristin Brooks Barcomb Wayfarer

                  The original monthly unit history reports are housed at the Air Force Historical Research Agency (AFHRA) on Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. (I believe there are microfilm

                  copies at Archives II in College Park). The unofficial index for AFHRA is airforcehistoryindex.org. The monthly reports vary in content. Some unit reports are slim; others have crew load lists, post mission crew interrogations, photos, the daily special orders, even listings of what movies were playing on base. It just depends on what that unit submitted. It may be worth a visit.

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                  • Re: 414th Bomb Squadron (97th Bomb Group) archival records

                    In the picture with Joe, which one is your father? I didn't know any of this story until today.I knew Joe was a pow and that was it. He and my uncle are brothers.  



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                        George Waldroup Wayfarer

                        Mr. Ohler:


                        Thank you for your response and please accept my apologies for the delay in responding as I was unaware that History Hub listed responses in an oldest to newest formnat.


                        In response to your question, there were two B017Fs named "Ther-N-Bak"  and in your RedDog attachment, my father's "Ther-N-Bak" had a tail number of 42-30705 which is depicted in the fourth picture.  The first three pictures are of   the second "Ther-N-Bak" which had a tail number of 42-5223.  Ironically, both were assigned to the 414th Bomb Squadron until 42-5223 was transferred to the 346th BS (99 Bomb Group) on 14 Nov 1943 and flew out of Oudna


                        In that fourth picture, my father is not represented and I note that only eight of the ten cr ewmen are shown.  In fact, my research, including the few remaining family documents, reveal that my father was not supposed to have been on that 27 Nov 42 mission since he was being transferred to join Paul Tibbets in organizing what would later become the 509th Composite Bomb Group.  The assigned pilot (unknown) apparently had taken ill and my father was asked to fly the mission since no other pilot was apparently available at the time.


                        BTW:  I have located the crash site of my father's B-17F which is just outside Apecchio, Italy (a little SSW of Rimini which was the target to that mission.


                        Again, thank you for responding - it is appreciated.