9 Replies Latest reply on Oct 15, 2018 1:43 PM by Rebecca Collier

    General Orders for Fifth Army in 1948

    Elliot Schneider Scout

      Hello NARA,

       

      Looking for help need help locating a General Order, it reads as follows.

       

      HQ 5th Army GO #20,  24 February 1948.

       

      Not sure if they would be located in The records of the Adjutant General, NAID# 16747752, Fifth Army 1946-1963, 173385, UD 35143.

      Or maybe in the Military Attache Reports and other records, 1943-1950, 16747473, 173366, UD 35137.

      Or RG 337 Records of HQ Army Ground Forces, 1916-1956, Subject Files, 1941-1950, File Unit: Fifth Army, NAID #1537631, NM5 51A.

       

      Thanks,

      Elliot Schneider

        • Re: General Orders for Fifth Army in 1948
          Rebecca Collier Navigator

          Dear Mr. Schneider,

           

          Thank you for posting your request on History Hub!

           

          We searched RG 338 for the Records of the Adjutant General of the Fifth Army, 1946-1963 [NAID 16747752, and located General Order (GO) #20 dated 24 February 1948 filed under Decimal 300.4 (1948 Segment) [Box 29146]. It consists of 4 pages. For access to or copies of this GO, please contact the National Archives at College Park - Textual Reference (RDT2) via email at archives2reference@nara.gov.

           

          We hope this information is helpful. Best of luck with your research! 

           

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            • Re: General Orders for Fifth Army in 1948
              Elliot Schneider Scout

              Hello Mrs. Collier,

               

              This is wonderful thank you for your help, tell me something would you happen to know what decimal system they would use for Military police units located within that same file for say 1950-1952. Have tried following the WD filing system but found it confusing what wonder if you knew.

               

               

              Thanks,

               

              Elliot Schneider

                • Re: General Orders for Fifth Army in 1948
                  Rebecca Collier Navigator

                  Dear Mr. Schneider,

                  Thank you for posting your follow-up request on History Hub!

                  The War Department Decimal File System was used by the U.S. Army from 1914 to 1962 for ease of filing correspondence and other office files. It was based on the same principle as the Dewey Decimal System used by libraries. There were 8 general classes or topics used:

                  • Class 000 - General
                  • Class 100 - Finance and accounting
                  • Class 200 - Personnel
                  • Class 300 - Administration
                  • Class 400 - Supplies, services, and equipment
                  • Class 500 - Transportation
                  • Class 600 - Buildings and grounds
                  • Class 700 - Medicine, hygiene, and sanitation
                  • Class 800 - Rivers, harbors, and waterways

                   

                  All units in the U.S. Army and the U.S. Army Air Forces were to use this system for filing, including Military Police units, but not all Army records were. It was most commonly used for large correspondence and administrative files.

                  We hope this information is helpful.

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                • Re: General Orders for Fifth Army in 1948
                  Elliot Schneider Scout

                  Hello Mrs. Collier,

                   

                  Please help to reconfirm the previous HQ 5th Army GO# 20.

                   

                  Requested information from A2 they told me that particular RG 338, Adjutant General, NAID# 16747752, Fifth Army 1946-1963, 173385, UD 35143 is only 374 FRC boxes.

                   

                   

                  A2 staff  asked me to reconfirm with you the box# you mentioned forFebruary 1948 filed under Decimal 300.4 (1948 Segment) [Box 29146]. It consists of 4 pages.

                   

                   

                  Thanks for your help.

                   

                   

                   

                  Elliot Schneider

                   

                   

                   

                    • Re: General Orders for Fifth Army in 1948
                      Rebecca Collier Navigator

                      Dear Mr. Schneider,

                       

                      Thank you for posting your follow-up request on History Hub!

                       

                      This is the information the RDT2 Textual Reference Staff needs:

                       

                      RG 338

                      UD 35143 -- Records of the Adjutant General of the Fifth Army, 1946-1963 [NAID 16747752]  Decimal 300.4 (1948 Segment)

                      General Order (GO) #20 dated 24 February 1948 (4 pp)

                      Old FRC Box # 29146

                      Series begins at 290/64/34/4 =>

                       

                      We hope this helps! Best of luck with your research!

                       

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                        • Re: General Orders for Fifth Army in 1948
                          Elliot Schneider Scout

                          Mrs. Collier,

                           

                          They said this will work, thank you again for all your help.

                           

                           

                          Elliot Schneider

                          • Re: General Orders for Fifth Army in 1948
                            Elliot Schneider Scout

                            Mrs. Collier,

                             

                            Need your help regarding the information you gave me. For some reason RDT2, and a private researcher are having a hard time finding the orders mentioned above that you sent me here is what you sent below. Apparently my research and RDT2 are confused on the information you provided to me they must both not know crazy that even RDT2 cant understand. Anyway if you could provide an exact location that RDT2 can use

                             

                             

                            RG 338

                            UD 35143 -- Records of the Adjutant General of the Fifth Army, 1946-1963 [NAID 16747752]  Decimal 300.4 (1948 Segment)

                            General Order (GO) #20 dated 24 February 1948 (4 pp)

                            Old FRC Box # 29146

                            Series begins at 290/64/34/4 =

                             

                             

                            Thanks,

                             

                            Elliot Schneider

                              • Re: General Orders for Fifth Army in 1948
                                Elliot Schneider Scout

                                Mrs. Collier,

                                 

                                FRC was finally found, but the RDT2 archivist and private researcher that I hired said that the 300.4 Orders for 1948 is not inside the contents of that FRC, both said that they should be. But they said that there might be a possibility that they were replaced or consolidated, thus not in the actual box that it is supposed to be in. My question is how many boxes before or after dose my private researcher and RDT2 staff need to go back in order to pin point the location since it's not in the correct box and location that was given. Based on your knowledge and experience what should we do next when something like this happens.

                                 

                                Thanks,

                                 

                                Elliot Schneider

                                  • Re: General Orders for Fifth Army in 1948
                                    Rebecca Collier Navigator

                                    Dear Mr. Schneider,

                                    Thank you for posting your follow-up request on History Hub!

                                    Here’s the updated information:

                                    RG 338

                                    UD 35143 -- Records of the Adjutant General of the Fifth Army, 1946-1963 [NAID 16747752]  Decimal 300.4 (1948 Segment)

                                    General Order (GO) #20 dated 24 February 1948 (4 pp)

                                    FRC Box # 291461

                                    Box location: 290/64/27/1

                                     

                                    We checked the file this morning and located General Order (GO) #20 dated 24 February 1948 in FRC Box 291461. We regret any inconvenience this may have caused you or your researcher for hire.

                                     

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