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    Seeking explanation of Father-in-Law's Honorable Discharge Papers

    Lee Norberg Adventurer

      My late Father-in-Law's Honorable Discharge Papers Form WD AGO 53-55 inclides this information:

       

      1. In Box 33 "Decorations and Citations" Medals given during European Theater of Operations (ETO). Next is notation GO 11 23 17 AUG 44

      2. What Unit does that refer to 23rd. Regiment or what Unit. It's critical in my going backward research of his Military Service from Induction in 1942 to Honorable Discharge in 1945.

      3. Box 34 is noted "Wounds received in Action" as ETO 13 OCT 44, his awards in Box 33 include a Purple Heart. How can that be, wounded more than once.

       

      If necessary, can upload his Discharge Paper. Thanks

        • Re: Seeking explanation of Father-in-Law's Honorable Discharge Papers
          Elliot Schneider Guide

          Lee,

           

          Usually GOs are listed by the HQ or Headquarters please scan copy and submit. Example would read something like this HQ 101st DIV GO# 23, 13 October 1944 or 44

           

          In your case this would read HQ 23rd DIV GO#11, 17 AUG 44

           

          Any additional information would be helpful.

            • Re: Seeking explanation of Father-in-Law's Honorable Discharge Papers
              Lee Norberg Adventurer

              Here is the scan of his Separation papers, also interesting is on D-Day he came ashore with 4th. INF DiV. 22nd.

              INF. Reg.Mr. Talbi (late Father-in-Law) Separation Paper.

                • Re: Seeking explanation of Father-in-Law's Honorable Discharge Papers
                  Elliot Schneider Guide

                  Lee,

                   

                  Here is some other information. Plus the WW2 Hospital Admission Card showing his injuries. He was noted as being in an Infantry Unit.

                   

                  Name:Morris Talbi
                  Race:White, includes Mexican (White)
                  Rank:Enlisted Man
                  Admission Age:24
                  Birth Date:abt 1920
                  Admission Date:Jul 1944
                  Discharge Date:Aug 1944
                  Military Branch:Infantry, General or Unspecified
                  Diagnosis:FirstLocation: Buttock and hip; CausativeAgent: Artillery Shell, Fragments, Afoot or unspecified
                  Type of Injury:Casualty, battle
                  Medical Treatment:Removal of foreign bodies from back
                  Injured in Line of Duty:In line of duty
                  Type of Discharge:Duty
                  Length of Service:2 Year(s), 0 Month(s)
                  Service Number:32334534

                   

                   

                  Name:Morris Talbi
                  Gender:Male
                  Birth Date:15 Jan 1920
                  Death Date:26 Aug 1997
                  Enlistment Branch:ARMY
                  Enlistment Date:11 May 1942
                  Discharge Date:2 Nov 1945

                   

                   

                   

                   

                  Name:Morris Talbi
                  Race:White
                  Marital status:Single, without dependents (Single)
                  Rank:Private
                  Birth Year:1920
                  Nativity State or Country:New York
                  Citizenship:Citizen
                  Residence:Bronx, New York
                  Education:Grammar school
                  Civil Occupation:Unskilled occupations in laundering, cleaning, dyeing, and pressing apparel and other articles
                  Enlistment Date:11 May 1942
                  Enlistment Place:Fort Jay Governors Island, New York
                  Service Number:32334534
                  Branch:Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA
                  Component:Selectees (Enlisted Men)
                  Source:Civil Life
                  Height:65
                  Weight:135
                • Re: Seeking explanation of Father-in-Law's Honorable Discharge Papers
                  Lee Norberg Adventurer

                  So now I have to decide to follow the 23rd Infantry (Part of 2nd. Infantry Divison) path which is indicated

                  on his Separation Papers or the 4th. Infantry which is stated on the D-Day Landing Orders. Any suggestions?

                   

                  Another KEY date is the ETO 13 OCT 44 indicated in BOX 34- Wounded in Action, Battle of Aachen. Germany

                  took place that day

                    • Re: Seeking explanation of Father-in-Law's Honorable Discharge Papers
                      Elliot Schneider Guide

                      Lee,

                       

                      Not to confuse you any more, but its helpful that you know how divisions and regiments are set up. I will help to explain because some people when they hear 4th infantry division or 4ID they automatically think that's the unit a solider was with.

                       

                      Here is what the 4th Division looked like during WW2  (Divisions are made up of usually 3 Infantry Regiments)

                       

                      So in your case it is possible that he served in one of those three regiments either the 8th Infantry Regiment, 12th Infantry Regiment, and 22nd Infantry Regiment. I would try and follow those records as much as possible for after action reports you need to stick with Army Divisional records for reports of operations.

                       

                      • Headquarters, 4th Infantry Division
                      • 8th Infantry Regiment
                      • 12th Infantry Regiment
                      • 22nd Infantry Regiment
                      • Headquarters and Headquarters Battery, 4th Infantry Division Artillery
                        • 20th Field Artillery Battalion (155 mm)
                        • 29th Field Artillery Battalion (105 mm)
                        • 42nd Field Artillery Battalion (105 mm)
                        • 44th Field Artillery Battalion (105 mm)
                      • 4th Engineer Combat Battalion
                      • 4th Medical Battalion
                      • 4th Cavalry Reconnaissance Troop (Mechanized)
                      • Headquarters, Special Troops, 4th Infantry Division
                        • Headquarters Company, 4th Infantry Division
                        • 704th Ordnance Light Maintenance Company
                        • 4th Quartermaster Company
                        • 4th Signal Company
                        • Military Police Platoon
                        • Band
                      • 4th Counterintelligence Corps Detachment

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                      Here is what the 2nd Infantry Division looked like during WW2

                       

                       

                      They were made up of the 9th Infantry Regiment, 23rd Infantry Regiment, and 38th Infantry Regiment

                       

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                  • Re: Seeking explanation of Father-in-Law's Honorable Discharge Papers
                    Rebecca Collier Guide

                    Dear Lee Norberg,

                     

                    Thank you for posting your request on History Hub!

                     

                    We searched the National Archives Catalog and located the World War II Operations Reports, 1940-1948 in the Records of the Adjutant General's Office, 1917 - 1985 (Record Group 407) that includes general orders and histories of the 927th Signal Battalion; histories, after action reports, journals, and general orders of the 23rd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Infantry Division; and histories, after action reports, journals, and general orders of the 22nd Infantry Regiment, 4th  Infantry Division during WWII. For more information about these non-digitized records, please contact the National Archives at College Park - Textual Reference (RDT2) via email at archives2reference@nara.gov.

                     

                    We also located a series titled Unit Histories, 1943 - 1967 in the Records of U.S. Army Operational, Tactical, and Support Organizations (World War II and Thereafter) (Record Group 338) that includes the file unit titled Headquarters, 927th Signal Battalion: Historical Reports; 43 files of the 2nd Infantry Division; and 62 files of the 4th Infantry Division during the 1940s. For more information about these non-digitized records, please contact RDT2  via email at archives2reference@nara.gov.

                     

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                    We hope this is helpful. Best of luck with your family research!

                     

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