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- Data Files Relating to the Immigration of Russians to the United States, documenting the period 1834 - 1897
- Records for Passengers Who Arrived at the Port of New York During the Irish Famine, documenting the period 1/12/1846 - 12/31/1851
- Data Files Relating to the Immigration of Germans to the United States, documenting the period 1850 - 1897
- Data Files Relating to the Immigration of Italians to the United States, documenting the period 1855 - 1900
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Many thanks for all interesting links!
Thank you for this. I think I saw this on Ancestry too. It's confusing, because as Sylvia W notes, the Ferdinand Mannocci who seems to have been my grandmother's grandfather does seem to have been already in the country according to the 1860 New Orleans census.
If you would like us to help search for this specific person, you will need to give us at least a few more details so we can actually find this guy e.g. birth details (approx birth year, place/state/country of birth etc), residence location(s), details of family members (wife, children, parents etc). And, how do you know that he would have immigrated abt 1871?
At the moment I can only find someone from Italy who lived in Louisiana and Mississippi, but he was already in the USA by 1857, so apparently it can't be him.
As per my previous reply, 1871 might not have been the year of his international arrival ...
I believe that 26 Oct 1871 is the date of his Declaration (reg Naturalization) in Adams cty, Mississippi.
Many thanks for your helpful responses. You're right. It looks like Ferdinand Mannocci was already in New Orleans. This is all I know so far: My grandmother was Marie Mannoccir. In the California census for 1910, her father is Ferdinand D Mannoccir, born in Louisiana in 1859. The 1860 census for New Orleans has a 3-year old Ferdinand, who could well be my grandmother's father. He is the son of Ferdinand Mannocce (probably a misspelling), 35 yrs old, born in Perugia. He also has a 1-year-old brother called David. According to that census, his mother is Marie, born in Ireland. The New Orleans birth records show a Fernando Manucci, born 1st Sept 1857 to father Fernando Manucci and mother Mary Murphy. There's also a New Orleans birth record for David Mannoce, born 9th Dec 1858 to father Ferdinando Mannocce and mother Mary Murphy. Apart from the altered name spellings it seems to fit with 1860 census. I searched for Ferdinand Mannocce in the 1880 census and got what sounded very like him in Mississippi, Adams County, Natchez, except that David and Marie (or Mary Murphy) were not there. There was Ferd Manoci, age 55, born Italy Rome (single!), and Ferd Manoci, his son age 22, born Louisiana, also a Mary Taylor keeping house born in Alabama. Strangely different but the same. It's very confusing. In the Mississippi, County Adams Marriage Index there is a record of Ferd D. Manoci marrying C. S. Grillo on 12 Nov 1885. These must be my grandmother's parents because my grandmother's mother was called Corinne, and her maiden name was Grillo.
What I really want to know is why they added the 'r' to the end of Mannocci. My birth certificate has MannocciR. I was told that the 'r' stood for Roncidelle or Roncadelli, and I see that my grandmother's sister Beatrice and her mother Corinne added that to their name in later years (1930s and 40s) but nowhere can I see real evidence of this Roncadelle connection.
Thank you so much again for your interest and help.
I would not worry too much whether the name in those historic documents was spelled Mannocci/Mannocce/Manoci/etc as those variations sound (more or less) the same.
It is interesting that Ferdinand’s father does not originate from Italy in the 1900 census (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6723-6G1?i=11) and 1910 census (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RV4-W9T?i=22 ) and that the surname has already a (small) "r" tacked onto it. Is it possible that he was trying to make his surname sound less Italian and more French as that would have fitted quite nicely with the Louisiana background? The capital "R" turns up in the 1920 census (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9R64-QDY?i=3 ) and dad is from Italy now.
When Ferdinand jr dies in 1925, the surname is without an “r” and dad comes from Italy: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99SJ-B7Q9?i=694 (NB His mother’s birth place is Ireland in the 1860 census).
FYI Ferdinand sr did go back to the old country to visit at least once:
The 29 October 1884 edition of the Clarion mentions that Messr Mannocci had returned to Natchez after a tour through Italy (https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83016925/1884-10-29/ed-1/seq-2/#date1=1884&index=0&rows=20&words=Mannocci&searchType=basic&sequence=0&page=1).
=> The SS Alaska had arrived on 20 October 1884 and your ancestor seems to have been on it: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-5RSH-MT?i=491 (#697) ... Note that he is American.
PS Have you found that Ferdinand sr died in Adams, Mississippi on 10 Jan 1900 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WR39-4RT2 & https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HHZR-CLW2 )
Many thanks again Sylvia. I had not seen Ferdinand senior's death cert, and it was particularly interesting to see confirmation that his mother was Mary Murphy, ie probably Irish, as I am Irish myself. I had thought that side of the family was all Italian. I had been told that the 'r' at the end of Mannocci was for Roncadelle (or similar) and I see that Corinne Mannocci (nee Grillo) is called Corinne G Mannocci Roncadelle on one of her death notices. Her daughter Beatrice (Marie's sister) also calls herself Beatrice Roncidelle Mannocci on several records. I'd love to know if there is any basis to this Roncadelle connection, or if Beatrice and Corinne were suffering from delusions of grandeur!!!
Anyway thanks again for your help!