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Re: Seeking photos of 7 men killed in glider crash
Lisa,
Do you have the 101st Glider units number 327th or 325th Glider Artillery or Infantry? What chalk # were they?
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Elliot, thanks for responding. i'm new on this site. i wanted to scan the email to you but not sure how so the following is the info that i have.
101st Airborne, 327th GIR, B Co. and i think 1st Bn. it was Waco CG-4A, serial 43-19797 of the 436th TGC/82nd TCS. Crashed at Kruishoutem Belgium. Sept 19, 44. We have some of the men's photos. we still need the following:
Sgt Barrett, Henry J. 38274996 i found a photo of Barrett in newspaper getting off a glider carrying a bazooka. we could use it if we cant find a better one. (hometown: Caldwell City Kansas)
Pfc Insolo, John A. 33569344 (Maryland)
Pfc Haake, Frank G 37557272 (Minnesota)
Pvt Hernandez, Jesus G 39548588 (Los Angeles)
Pfc Keane, Patrick B 31342106 (Conn.)
Pfc Pacheco, Frank S 19167979 (San Bernardino, CA. I live near here and think i have found a daughter)
Pvt Zimmerman, Kenneth O. 37575515 (buried Minnesota)
Thank you so much for responding to my request. Hope you can help. I helped with another memorial in Belgium last year and ended up finding the paratrooper's photo with the help of the WW2 museum but they haven't responded to my request for help this time. Lisa
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1 person found this helpfulMs. Woods,
Pfc Pacheco, Frank S found an obit for his wife.
Here is a copy of the MACR for Sep 19th 1944.
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Thanks Elliot. We have those reports, but i appreciate it. I have the obit, that's where i got the daughter's name from. I think i may have a phone number on her that I need to try.
I prev emailed the natl archives and asked about the photos. Their reply today was, (besides being closed) "boot camp and induction type photos were rarely retained as permanent by the various branches of service." That surprised me, i did not know that. I just assumed they were kept. Thanks again for your help. lisa
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Ms. Woods,
I found the morning report from my grandfathers records, when they were KIA on the 19th 1944 please see document below.
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Elliot, That is awesome that you found that photograph!! thank you so much. We have photos of 8 of the men that were killed that day so we can at least narrow it down some. And the report is a neat piece of history. Why did your grandfather have this stuff? Was he a gliderman or paratrooper?
Are we able to email each other? I would love for you to get in on the memorial conversations. Thank you so much for the work you are putting into this. Think we have a line on The Haake and Pecheco families. The problem is, besides it being so long ago, tracking down grandkids is tough because of marriages and name changes, ect. But we don't plan on giving up, it's too important. thanks again, Elliot.
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Elliot, I don't mean to look a gift horse in the mouth but Belgium people are going to want to know how we know for sure this is the 327th Co. B. I see that it is B company. Are you able to tell me where you obtained the photo? Also, any idea if we can get the names of the men in the photo so we can identify our 7 guys? if not, it's ok, like i said, we certainly appreciate all you've done and this is amazing. thanks. lisa
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Hi Lisa,
Welcome to History Hub,
Found this on Pinterest
Alice Lane
Research Volunteer
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That's great. The Belgiums and French are amazing at remembering and honoring our soldiers.
thanks for this.
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Re: Seeking photos of 7 men killed in glider crash
Sylvia Naylor
Mar 2, 2021 4:11 PM
Dear Ms. Woods,
Thank you for posting your request on History Hub!
We searched the National Archives Catalog and located a series titled World War II Operations Reports, 1940-1948 in the Records of the Adjutant General’s Office, 1917 - 1985 (Record Group 407) that may have photographs in the 101st Airborne Division and 327th Glider Infantry Regiment histories and/or after action reports located in boxes 11750-11753 and boxes 11806-11808, respectively. For more information about these records, please contact the National Archives at College Park - Textual Reference (RDT2) at archives2reference@nara.gov.
Also photographs of various U.S. Army activities and subjects during WWII are in the custody of the National Archives at College Park - Still Picture (RDSS). Please contact RDSS via email at stillpix@nara.gov and their web site is https://www.archives.gov/dc-metro/college-park/photographs-dc.html.
Due to the COVID-19 pandemic and pursuant to guidance received from the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), NARA has adjusted its normal operations to balance the need of completing its mission-critical work while also adhering to the recommended social distancing for the safety of NARA staff. As a result of this re-prioritization of activities, you may experience a delay in receiving an initial acknowledgement as well as a substantive response to your reference request from RDT2 and RDSS. We apologize for this inconvenience and appreciate your understanding and patience.
We hope this is helpful. Best of luck with your research!
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Thank you, Sylvia, for all of the info and web sites. I did email NARA (if they were open, I would be there tomorrow!! love that place.) Their reply was that they couldn't help now because of their closure and that the services did not, as a rule, save indoctrination photos back then. So we will keep working on it. I did find 2 of the men's family members on ancestry, and a photo of another of the glidermen on newspaper.com. So we're getting there. Thanks again for your input, really appreciate your time and effort. I will search the sites that you gave me. lisa
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- according to the testimony of our eyewitness the tree which caused the fatal crash was located near where now is a highway (which was constructed 1972) : https://goo.gl/maps/WuGj5FWR7yu7pjsy6 ... but as the place is changed over time ... she can be wrong. I did my outmost best to find aerial pictures or other clues in having an old picture where the tree can be located. But in vain. Cybrik Dedecker told me he camped a long time agoo for several weeks at Nara, but he says those pictures do'nt exist. Maybe you can find something? The most correct estimation of the location would be a very big help for a metaldetectorist survey I'm planning to do in Summer when covid hopefully is better under control.
this is a followup to my request for photos of the glidermen killed on Sept 19, 1944 during Op Market Garden. This is an email from the person in Belgium building the memorial. He is asking for help on the exact location of the crash. Any ideas to help with this? is there a source of aerial recon pictures from that time? You all were so helpful with the photo request. We were able to locate most of the men's photos. Any help on this would be appreciated too. thanks
