I think I might have all that except for the Naturalization record. How can I tell if it's correct if I don't have... the full record? I'm wondering if I need to order something.
Ah, he died before 1930 so it can't be the correct Naturalization record. But it's the same name! Crazy.
I'm just hoping to find a passenger list with him, mother, and siblings, or his naturalization record.
And if that's not online, what place do I go to search for it more.. manually?
I believe this might be the correct family, although a few of the given names vary and there are 10, not 8 children. This family arrived in NY on 22 Oct 1874 having sailed from Liverpool on the SS City of Montreal.
This is amazing, Susannah! I need some of those search skills. You found this incredibly fast.
I found the 1885 Census where the mother is listed as Ellen, so maybe she was Mary Ellen?
Then you found this record and it clicked! Maybe some of these younger children did not survive for some reason, though that's a lot of children to lose in 6 years.
Can I ask, do you think that says 'Wife' next to Ellen McGuiness' name?
I wonder if she was in fact going to join her husband but then he died before or after she arrived.
I would not take the word "wife" to necessarily mean that she was not a widow. She was traveling to Hoboken to meet someone, but it could have been any relative or close friend. The Hoboken city directories are on this website Blog - The Ancestor Hunt. In the 1875/76 directory Ellen McGinness is listed as the widow of Patrick, h[ome] Willow n[ear] Newark, Hoboken. If you check the directories, check all spelling of McGinness or McGuinnes.
I am now more certain that the above arrival record is that of your family. Someone on Ancestry.com had a family tree for Timothy's family and said that he was born in Feakle, Clare, Ireland, so I used that information as a clue. Familysearch.org has the church records (baptisms) for Feakle for 1860-1880 and I found the baptisms for the 6 youngest children of Pat McGenniss and Mary Houlihan.
Bridget, bapt 4 Dec 1863 P (familysearch.org)
John, bapt July 1865 (day unreadable) P (familysearch.org)
Thady, bapt 4 Dec 1866 P (familysearch.org)
(I had to look up the name Thady. It is either Thaddeus or Timothy)
Danl., bapt 12 Jul 1868 P (familysearch.org)
Helene, bapt 28 Aug 1870 P (familysearch.org)
Kate, Oct 1872 (day unreadable) P (familysearch.org)
The National Library of Ireland has the same parish records on-line as well as baptism and marriage records for Caher Feakle.
Patk. McGennis & Ellen Houlihan were married 10 Feb 1855 Page 78, Microfilm 02487 / 06, Caher Feakle, Killaloe - Catholic Parish Registers at the NLI
Dear Ms. Glines,
Thank you for posting your request on History Hub!
Prior to September 27, 1906, any "court of record" (municipal, county, state, or Federal) could grant United States citizenship. Often petitioners went to the court most geographically convenient for them. If you suspect that the petition for Timothy McGinness was filed in either New York City or New Jersey, the National Archives at New York (RE-NY) should have a copy of both his declaration and petition within their holdings, We suggest you contact RE-NY via email at firstname.lastname@example.org to request a copy of these records. Please include the name of the petitioner (including known variants); date of birth; approximate date of entry to the US; approximate date of naturalization; where the individual was residing at the time of naturalization (city/county/state); and country of origin.
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The 1920 census shows that he was naturalized in 1886
August 22, 1911 Obituary information for Mary McGinness
1895 Census New Jersey
Naturalization for Patrick T McGuinness 1894