Reason my Father Robert E Davidson serving with Co "A" 194th Tank Bn. 47th Inf Div. Camp Rucker, Ala. received a Bronze Star during the Korean war. Records were lost in 1973 fire. Is there any way to get anymore information?

How can I find any information about why my Father received the Bronze Star in Korea? 

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    Thank you for posting your question on History Hub!

    The Textual Reference Archives II Branch (RR2RR) has custody of the Records of the Adjutant General's Office, 1917- (Record Group 407), U.S. Army Command Reports, 1949-54, and the Records of U.S. Army Operational, Tactical, and Support Organizations (World War II and Thereafter) (Record Group 338). Command reports among these records consist mostly of narrative historical and after action reports as well as unit journals and other supporting documents. We reviewed these records but unfortunately we were not able to locate general orders or award information for the 194th Tank Battalion or the 47th Infantry Division that include information on Robert E. Davidson. 
    We additionally reviewed Eighth Army Award Case Files within Record Group 338 but again were not able to locate records for Robert E. Davidson. If you are able to identify who issued the Bronze Star, date of issue, and general orders number please let us know and we will gladly continue searching our records for you. 

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  • Unfortunately I don't have any information. He never told my mother when or why he got the medal. The only thing she remembered was that she knew he was a 'forward observer". We have some pictures of him and some of his comrades but only one has a name on it and I can't find any information searching his name. I was young when my father passed away so I didn't think to ask any questions. I never even saw the medal until I was a teen. I was depending on his military records not ever thinking about them being destroyed in a 1973 fire. I will continue to search and keep up with these posts. Maybe I will get lucky some day.  Thank you so much for trying to help. 

  • You are making this entirely too easy.

    Your father was assigned to the 27th Infantry Regiment.

    Their nickname was the "Wolfhounds," which is what is written in the middle of the bumper.

    Their unit crest had a wolf on it and is one of the few that was "mirrored, meaning that the right and left shoulder crests were different, so that the wolf's head would always look forward, when you wore them on your shoulders.

    You'll notice that they look just like the ones painted on the jeep, too.

    The crest is described as follows:

    Description/Blazon
    Left: On a black oblong a wolf's head erased facing to the left in gold above the motto "NEC ASPERA TERRENT" in gold letters. Right: On a black oblong a wolf's head erased facing to the right in gold above the motto "NEC ASPERA TERRENT" in gold letters. The insignia is 1 inch (2.54 cm) in height.

    Symbolism

    The wolf's head is a glorified design developed as a result of the nickname "Wolfhounds" for the 27th Infantry. The nickname "Wolfhounds" was adopted by the organization due to its service in Siberia during World War I. The motto has been in use by the Regiment since its activation and translates to "Frightened By No Difficulties."

    Background

    The distinctive unit insignia was approved on 1 May 1931.
    If the letters on the right side do say "HM9," it would further support the idea that he was assigned to the Heavy Mortar Company of the Regiment. If it said "HW9," it would support him being in the Heavy Weapons Company of one of the battalions.
    Either way, I'd say it's a pretty sure bet he was a Wolfhound of the 27th Infantry Regiment.
    There is a 27th Infantry Regiment Historical Society, their website is here:
  • I'm actually shedding tears. I have looked at these little two inch square black and white pictures a thousand times over the years. I could not have guessed there could be that much information in them that I did not see. And getting a response from you was heaven sent. I may never know exactly why my Father got the bronze star but I now know some things about him I couldn't have ever known. I have come to realize he actually was a BADASS! Which I knew anyway. Now I am determined to keep digging and maybe I will get lucky. I love all things military my great-great grandfather were Civil war Vets. One Confederate (pictured) the other a Union Soldier commander of a black regiment born in New York City. History and ancestry are addicting. I hope to keep communicating with you it's been a pleasure and an honor. 

  • Ha! My great grandfather was a Union Infantryman, his father-in law was a Confederate Cavalryman. Must have made for some interesting holiday dinners.

    The Army used to have a TV Show called "The Big Picture." They had an episode called "The 25th Infantry Division in Korea."

    It is available on YouTube here:

    www.youtube.com/watch

  • I watched this video it was very informative and a little scary. There is one picture of my Dad's that has some children playing, a couple with mountains and one of what looks like its from inside a cave. It's crazy that I can find out more about my Civil War G-G Grandfathers from Muster Rolls and such found in my ancestors possessions than I can about my Dad. I filled out the form for replacement medals maybe I will get lucky. Since records were burned how did they issue a DD214? Maybe I don't know what the initials in box 27 mean. I know you do. Will they only replace the medals shown on the DD214? 

  • As with everything in the military, "it depends." The abbreviations say

    Combat Infantryman's Badge

    Korean Service Medal with 1 Bronze Service Star (your father was wearing two)

    United Nations Service Medal

    Overseas Service Bars-1

    The overseas Service Bar is a cloth (embroidered) bar, roughly 1/4 by 1 1/4 inch that was sewn on the right sleeve of the uniform coat that represented six months in combat. And there was no rounding up. So, if your father spent 11 months in Combat, he got 1 bar.

    As for the two service stars he wore versus the one shown on his DD-214, it's POSSIBLE that the second star was authorized after he was discharged. In that case it wouldn't have shown up on the DD-214, which is a snapshot on the day he left active duty. Do you know if he spent any time in the Army Reserve after he was discharged? That could explain both the 2nd bronze service star and the infantry regimental crests versus the armor battalion listed on his discharge papers as a unit of assignment. OF course, he also could have been cross-leveled while still on active duty to fill a key position, so maybe not.

    As to the National Defense Service Medal, they should issue that automatically. It wasn't an existing award when he was discharged, but he was authorized it once it was authorized, based on his dates of service.

    Depending on if they do any digging, you may also receive some unit awards. They are ribbons enclosed in gold frames that are awarded to every member of the unit. If you're in the unit during the period the award covered, then it's awarded to you. When we wrote for my dad's awards, they included a Korean Presidential Unit Citation that he wasn't aware his unit had been awarded, and which wasn't on his DD-214.

    The Bronze Star will be more interesting, since it's not listed on his DD-214. We'll have to see on that one. If it's not, we may have to find a copy of the orders to send in and request a replacement medal set. Unless you have a copy of the citation or orders in your possession, but I'm gathering you don't.

    As to how the DD-214 survived--The DD-214 is a separation document. It's prepared as you're leaving the service. In fact, your father should have signed it someplace on the form. And my understanding is that copies were filed in several places within the government--in the individual's personnel file (which was in the fire) and with the VA, for example. And they can access the alternate copies. Since yours is a reverse image, if it was received from the Archives, I'd suspect it was an alternate copy obtained from a roll of microfilm that wasn't stored at the NPRC when the fire occurred. Or at least, it was stored in a different part of the building.

  • I sent a request to the archives and received a letter stating that they would send the National Defense Service Medal but would require a copy of the DD214 before any others could be issued. I will mail or Fax if I can. The military is complicated when records are destroyed. The pictures I sent are all we have besides those few Korea pictures. Her entered in March 1951 and was discharged December 1952 he returned from Korea in June of 1952 on the W.F. Hase to San Francisco. The bronze Star was pinned at Camp Rucker in November 1952. All I have to go on are these dates and the DD214 which does bear his signature. We got the copy I have when my Mother filed for burial and a marker. I can't explain the awards that show in the picture of him in uniform unless they were awarded after his return and will at Camp Rucker waiting to be discharged. I guess what is shown on him that isn't listed on the DD214 I won't be able to get replaced. I would like to get them all and see how he got them but that fire erased that. Without your help I wouldn't have as much as I do. If these current pictures give any it will help. 

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