4 Replies Latest reply on Dec 14, 2021 11:10 PM by Sabine Gorgas

    Need help translating German Genealogy Record

    Mindy Fink Wayfarer

      (1) I cannot read this line and how the person is related to the family. If you have a familysearch.org account, the entire page can be found at https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/123304982. Or https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61389/images/1346073-00503

      It's on the right page, last person entered below the children.



      (2) I also found what could possibly be another child, Lina Auguste, born 1884 to the parents of the same name. She is not in the family book. Yet, the last date for this family was before Emma Auguste was born.

      QUESTION: Can family books terminate and be incomplete?


      Lina Auguste baptism record indicates that she was baptized in Adelsheim, Baden, Germany which is near Brezfeld where Emma Lina, born and baptized in 1880, and her siblings were baptized.

      I found both Emma Lina's bapt record, https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/134544958, and Lina Auguste's bapt record suggesting that these are two different people.


      Lina Auguste (geb. 1884) married a Schmidt (https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61023/images/1340222-01174 ) whereas Emma Lina (geb. 1880) married a Kieckheben.


      The sister, Marie Magdalena Meister Fink has an Emma Schmidt (Germany) noted in her obit at findagrave (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/173157430/marie-fink).

      This is suspicious because "Lina" (Auguste) married Schmidt, not "Emma".

      Emma Kieckheben was not noted. Neither was Marie's brother.


      I've searched high and low for Emma Lina (geb. 1880) marrying a Schmidt and failed.


      QUESTION: It is common for obits to list some siblings and not others?

      QUESTION: Could someone outside findagrave have added that info to findagrave without a thorough research of the family and posted "Emma Schmidt (Germany)"?


      Now, the family book lists Emma Lina 1880 as Marie's sister.


      THE BIG QUESTION: Is this enough supporting evidence that Emma Lina and Emma Auguste are sisters?


      Thank you for your time

        • Re: Need help translating German Genealogy Record
          Susannah Brooks Pioneer

          !. The last person on the page is Emil Wilhelm (Brand) born 22 Aug bapt 28 Aug (unfortunately no year is given) and I cannot decipher what I assume is the place), died 30 Jan 1891.

          2. Family books can terminate or more recent records are blocked due to privacy laws.  A family's records would terminate when they left the town or parish.  Often this in noted in the book, but not always.  If Christian Heinrich Meister, father of Emma, came to the US, then I would think that Lina is Emma's sister.

          The reference to Emma Schmidt on Find-A-grave is from Marie's obituary.  Information in obits is provided by a family member, who may not know accurate information.  If some of Marie's  siblings were deceased prior to her death, they probably would not have been mentioned in her obit.

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          • Re: Need help translating German Genealogy Record
            Rachael Salyer Ranger

            Dear Ms. Fink,


            Thank you for posting your request on History Hub!


            The FamilySearch wiki Germany FamilySearch Historical Records provides more information about the records available on their website and may answer your questions about the German family books. Their wiki German Genealogical Word List includes resources related to reading and understanding German scripts that might be helpful in deciphering the text from the first image you included in your inquiry. If you have access to photo editing software, you also may be able to manipulate the image to make the text clearer. It might be useful to compare difficult lines and letters to other examples within the document that have already been translated, too.


            Since FindAGrave relies on community contributions for the information it provides, you may wish to review their policies to learn more about how details are added to their website.


            Finally, as Ms. Brooks has noted, information contained in an obituary would most likely have been provided by a family member. Certain details may have been excluded because the information was unknown or was considered unimportant at the time, and the space available in the newspaper or the cost to print an obituary potentially could have affected what was ultimately included or not.


            We hope this information is helpful. Best of luck with your family research!


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