20 Replies Latest reply on Jul 22, 2019 6:34 PM by Elliot Schneider

    Information on WWII casualties

    joan stachnik Adventurer

      Hi, I was looking for information on the circumstances of the death of two WWII soldiers (Marion Dews and Willard Clouse, both of the 320th GFAB). Both died at Normandy on June 6, 1944 and both are buried in France. I've requested and received their Burial case files (IDPFs) and, although lengthy, the contents of the files are primarily correspondence with families regarding personal effects and burial site. No information regarding place (other than Normandy) or cause of death is included. My reason for asking is that I think one or both of these men were on the same glider as my dad when it crashed. I know two men on that glider were killed (one of them was sitting next to my dad), and I would like to know for certain if it was these two soldiers.  Any suggestions would be appreciated. thank you, joan

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          Elliot Schneider Tracker

          Joan,

           

          Good to see your still plugging away. I also confirmed with alternate sources the two men KIA on 6 June of 1944. Did you ever track down any After Action Reports for June of 1944 for the 320th. I'm gonna keep looking as well. How about morning reports for them, did they show up on your dads morning reports as well.

           

           

          Elliot Schneider

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              joan stachnik Adventurer

              Hi Elliot, thanks for the reply. Yes I have looked at the morning reports for these names and they are listed as KIA or DOW for June 6/7. And my dad had kept their names written down in his address book.

              I have seen some after action reports, but they seem to be more general in information. It was suggested by one of the archivists to look at the staff daily journals for this unit. I'm not familiar with the content of those but they are at College Park. That's my next try.  I will let you know if I find anything. joan

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                  Elliot Schneider Tracker

                  Joan,

                   

                  I found something interesting on the NARA catalog from their website. When you search use the words "Glider Reports" in the search box they have several reports from 436th, 442nd, IX Troop carrier interrogation checklists for Glider pilots. Not sure if this is something that may help but worth looking into.

                   

                   

                  Elliot Schneider

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                Holly Rivet Adventurer

                Dear Ms. Stachnik,

                 

                Thank you for posting your question on History Hub!

                 

                You may begin an inquiry by requesting a copy of his Individual Deceased Personnel File from the National Archives at St. Louis.  These record generally contain correspondence, notification to Next-of-Kin, burial arrangements, and cause of death.  Information about the service member's rank, organization, and personal effects are also typically included.   Please submit a completed SF-180 to the National Archives at St Louis to start an inquiry.  Please include any other information you may have such as place of birth, mother's name, service number, and of course the date of death.  You may also view these records for free in our Archival Research Room.

                 

                National Archives - St. Louis

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                stl.archives@nara.gov

                 

                We hope this information has been helpful!

                Holly Rivet

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                  Dave Kerr Adventurer

                  So what you want is a roster of the glider that your dad was in.

                   

                  I would be surprised if these records exist.

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                      joan stachnik Adventurer

                      Dave, yes that is exactly what I would like, but I know they probably do not exist. I've seen a few for paratroopers, but none for glider troops. It is my understanding that it was up to the pilots to file or record the flight manifests. For my dad's glider, the pilot as well as the flight officer were killed, which unfortunately happened often.  Thanks, joan

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                      Becca Simons Scout

                      Dear Ms. Stachnik,

                       

                      Thank you for posting your request on History Hub!

                       

                      We searched the World War II Operations Reports, 1940-1948 in the Records of the Adjutant General's Office, 1905-1981 (Record Group 407) and located a battalion history of the 320th Glider Field Artillery Battalion for 9 July 1943 to 6 June 1945 that includes lists of soldiers killed or wounded in action.  For access to and/or copies of the history, please contact the National Archives in College Park - Textual Reference (RDT2) via email at archives2reference@nara.gov.

                       

                      We hope this is helpful. Best of luck with your research!

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                        Elliot Schneider Tracker

                        Joan,

                         

                        Found something interesting, both those men were actually part of HQ battery. The 320th GFAB had 54 gliders with 373 soldiers. The first group of soldiers flew out of RAF Membury they were in four Horsea (British) gliders. They were in Serial # 32 and were flown by the 436th Group/ they landed at 11:00 PM. The second group flew out of RAF Welford and they had 12 WACO (American) gliders and 38 Horsea gliders. They were in Serial #33 flown by the 435th Group. This group landed at 11:10 PM. The code name for the entire mission was Elmira.

                         

                         

                        According to a conversation with unit historian it list of casualties for Normandy shows that PVT Marion W. Dews, from Indiana died on 6 Jun 1944 and his final burial is St Laurent C-26-38. S/SGT Willard J. Clouse died on 7 Jun 1944 and his final burial is St Laurent B-1-20. SSG Clouse died of injuries that he had received. It also shows that both were members of HQ Battery. If this is true you may want to start searching for your dad Frank Stachnik within those HQ battery records. Because if the two men according to historian I spoke with said its possible your dad was also attached with the HQ battery.

                         

                        Not sure if you have any of this information but it's what Historian has told me when speaking with him.

                         

                        Also for your information:

                         

                        The attacking forces for Normandy were as follows: Force A was the airborne portion, Force B was the glider portion and Force C was the amphibious portion. Force A departed at 11:15 PM on 5 Jun 1944. The invasion to free France began.

                         

                         

                        All airborne forces were on the ground by 3:12 AM 6 Jun 1944 and at 4:04 AM 52 gliders crash-landed. Both paratroopers and glider soldiers were scattered. Small groups of soldiers united and attacked to secure the division zone. This group had batteries of the 80th Airborne Antiaircraft Artillery detachments and forward parties of artillery signal and Division headquarters.

                         

                        There would be aerial resupply at 6:20 AM. They dropped 156.5 tons of ordnance, quartermaster and medical supplies. Problem was the drop pattern was poor and bundles were scattered many of them falling into enemy hands or being covered by enemy fire.

                         

                        Enemy reaction was prompt and severe. At 9:00 PM 6 Jun 1944, 100 gliders landed with artillery, engineers and special troops. At 11:05 PM Division Artillery, 319th GFAB and 320th GFAB landed in Normandy and encountered severe enemy small arms and mortar fire. Reorganization commenced but was handicapped by intense enemy fire. On 7 Jun, the division continued to assemble, reorganize and secure its area against extreme severe enemy resistance, which included armor. Various groups of the artillery were involved in individual skirmishes with the enemy. The 320th GFAB was placed in direct support of the 505th Parachute Infantry. They salvaged two 195mm howitzers, took over the 75mm howitzers of the 456th Parachute Field Artillery Battalion Detachment, and went into position 400 yards west of Ste Mere Eglise. The first round was fired at 9:11 AM 7 Jun 1944.

                         

                         

                        Thanks,

                         

                        Elliot Schneider

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                            joan stachnik Adventurer

                            HI Elliot, thank you for the additional information.  Yes my dad was in the HQ battery with both of these men. And they flew out of Welford.  Thanks again,  joan

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                                Elliot Schneider Tracker

                                Joan,

                                 

                                I also forgot to mention the gentlemen I spoke to said that they relied on the units to create those manifest/Rosters.  According to the 82nd ABN historian to his knowledge none exsist, he said they do have manifest rosters for the 82nd ABN for Vietnam. But this dose not do you any good because your looking for WW2.

                                 

                                Talk soon,

                                 

                                Elliot Schneider

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                                    Elliot Schneider Tracker

                                    Joan,

                                     

                                    Here is some more information on the troop carrier Group and the men that flew them.

                                     

                                    Part 1: 75th Troop Carrier Squadron on paratroop mission on D-day

                                     

                                     

                                    By the begining oh June 1944, the men of the squadron had a number of training flights and it was clear something was going to happen. On the 2nd day of the month, the pilots, co-pilot and navigators were briefed for the coming mission. Then the men came into the restricted area.

                                     

                                     

                                    The 75th Troop Carrier Squadron furnished 12 planes for the serial of the 435th Troop Carrier Group, Serial 13. And they would make out chalk number 28 through 39 in the Serial. .

                                    The 75th had the following planes and men on this mission:

                                     

                                     

                                    Chalk number 28            C-47#  43-15618

                                    Capt. Lewis A. Curtis (P)

                                    1st Lt. Hubert J. Charon (CP)

                                    1st Lt. Edward R. Donney (N)

                                    T/Sgt. Woodrow P. McFarland (CC)

                                    S/Sgt. George R. James (RO)

                                     

                                     

                                    Chalk number 29            C-47#  42-92094

                                    Capt. Melvin Cox (P)

                                    2nd Lt. Byron Graham Jr. (CP)

                                    2nd Lt. Warren H. Castle (N)

                                    T/Sgt. Harold Carson (CC)

                                    S/Sgt. Walter G. Schad (RO)

                                     

                                     

                                    Chalk number 30            C-47#  42-92097

                                    1st Lt. Clint V. Murdock (P)

                                    2nd Lt. Gerald D. McCoy (CP)

                                    F/O Kenneth J. Nolan (N)

                                    T/Sgt. Josepg G. Piskuric (CC)

                                    S/Sgt. William Smith Jr. (RO)

                                    Chalk number 31             C-47#  42-92093

                                    Capt. Paul W. Dahl (P)

                                    2nd Lt. George A. Conklin (CP)

                                    1st Lt. Zeno H. Rose (N)

                                    T/Sgt. George T. Gazarian (CC)

                                    S/Sgt. David Lifschutz (RO)

                                     

                                     

                                    Chalk number 32           C-47# 42-92098

                                    1st Lt. Roy E. Alderman (P)

                                    2nd Lt. Benjamin H. J. Goodman (CP)

                                    T/Sgt. Michael R. Walt (CC)

                                    S/Sgt. Clyde W. Ross (RO)

                                     

                                     

                                    Chalk number 33         C-47# 42-24042

                                    1st Lt. R. G. Ellliott (P)

                                    2nd Lt. Raymond C. Harrington (CP)

                                    S/Sgt. James Nelson (CC)

                                    Sgt. William Ackerman (RO)

                                    Chalk number 34            C-47# 42-92092

                                    Capt. Edgar A. Smith (P)

                                    2nd Lt. Romie Alexoff (CP)

                                    2nd Lt. William  Boyd (N)

                                    T’Sgt. Jesse Colbert (CC)

                                    S/Sgt. Merritt S. Thompson (RO)

                                     

                                     

                                    Chalk number 35           C-47# 42-92071

                                    1st Lt. Edward W. Frome (P)

                                    2nd Lt. Clarence A. D’Aigle (CP)

                                    T/Sgt. Dennis T. O’Connor Jr. (CC)

                                    S/Sgt. Harold E. Harris (RO)

                                     

                                     

                                    Chalk number 36           C-47# 42-100879

                                    1st Lt. Marcellus F. Bussman (P)

                                    F/O Robert J. Petrillo (CP)

                                    Sgt. Hans A. Brunisholz (CC)

                                    Sgt. Frank S. Austin Jr. (RO)

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                                  Ann Cipriani Newbie

                                  Elliott

                                  How did you find this info..that was great. I am looking for the same type of info as Joan only about my father. He was Airborne 82nd Glider infantry division 325th Co A. His glider sadly had 14 casualties on Dday plus one. Looking for the roster if all on his plane and their status. Going to Normandy and would like to pray and bring flowers to graves of the boys on his plane that may be buried there. Ty!

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                                      Elliot Schneider Tracker

                                      Ann

                                       

                                      What was your fathers name, their are lots of people here that can help you. Try to obtain some records.

                                       

                                      Thanks,

                                       

                                      Elliot Schneider

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                                        joan stachnik Adventurer

                                        Hi Ann, when I began looking more into my dad's service, I found reading about the glider flights, rather than his specific unit, was very helpful. I found several very good sites about the airborne troop carriers.  I've listed these below. And I will see if I have any information about the 325th in my files. Hope this is of some help. joan

                                         

                                        Airborne Troop Carriers (http://www.airbornetroopcarrier.com/home.html )

                                         

                                        Another site is specific to D-Day ( http://www.6juin1944.com/assaut/aeropus/en_index.php ) lists the individual glider flights, including gliders carrying the 325th (Galveston and Hackensack missions) going out on D+1. 

                                         

                                        The Whitebeam Battlefield Research forum. They have a website as well as a Facebook page. There might not be information specific to the 325th, but possibly the glider landings. That is their focus.

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                                          joan stachnik Adventurer

                                          Hi Ann, I found the table below which may list your dad's glider flight. The very first flight for that serial (#34) lists 14 KIA from the 325th, Co A. Hope this is of help. joan

                                           

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                                            joan stachnik Adventurer

                                            Ann, one more bit of information. You can search the American Battle Monuments Commission website to find graves of men killed in WWII and buried overseas. The search can be done by unit and date of death (no names needed). I did a quick search for the 325th and a date of death of June 7, 1944. There were 10 names retrieved, all from the 325th and buried in the Normandy American Cemetery.  Some of these men may have been on your dad's glider. The link to the ABMC search page is :https://www.abmc.gov/database-search.

                                             

                                            I think it's unlikely you will find a manifest for the glider. I've looked for some time and found nothing. There are a few around for the paratroopers but apparently not for glider infantry/artillery troops (as Elliot mentioned in one of his posts).  Much of the information I have is from the papers my dad saved, including the 320th GFAB history.   Hope this is of some help. joan