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Seeking info on Jakoba Giermana/Giarznana

Gabriel German

The latter surname was crossed out. I have his passport and some details:

1.he was born in Biała Podlaska in 1904

2. Ethnically Jewish

3. He emigrated to the US in 1920, reaching it on July 8th.

When I searched up his name on the Ellis Island finder, nothing popped up. Is there anywhere else where I can find his immigration records? Also, his passport was in Polish and French, so I don’t know if that is important or not.

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    Hi Gabriel,

    If and that's an "if" he came through Ellis Island, then in your case my feeling is that the ship manifest may have been degraded before the Latter Day Saints in the 1990s did the name index for Ellis Island.  Ancestry.com not only did the manifests but also the detention pages... so if Jakob was detained, he should appear on the Ancestry index even if not on Ellis Island database.  By 1950s the manifests were destroyed.  There are some other ways of searching.... for the **original** ship manifest.  First, you seem to have a specific date of arrival at Ellis Island... you could go to: https://stevemorse.org/ellis/boat.html and enter the arrival date... that will take you using the search button to a number of ships arriving on July 9, 1920, and "supplemental manifests" which I think are fragments of manifests.  You can see the port that the ships came out of.... assuming he came out of either Rotterdam or London (two ships on the list)..... check the passport to see if there is a stamp from either of those ports.  The ship list will get you to the manifests and you might see a degraded line, missing a name, that matches what you know about Jakoba.  Second, the WPA from the **original** manifests in late 1930s, early 1940s did  a card  index of names.  The cards are on line at: (www.familysearch.org/.../341057)  But the way the cards are arranged by Ancestry is quirky.  See my YouTube Video on this technique (and many others including searching on who they were going to): "Finding Difficult Passengers on the Ellis Island Manifests" at: https://youtu.be/5dzaug6_pd   I searched the WPA card index for soundex G625 and G655 (films 8880201 and 8880209 at FamilySearch) without success.... the ...201 film at image 14402 of 24567 where I expected Jakoba and for ...209 film about 22800 or so.  Third, you could search on "book" indexes"  (see my youtube film on this subject).... https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/2299396 but searches on Jakoba (exact) and last name Giermana yielded no results, and Jakoba and exact Giermana also no results.  You might want to fool around with that index and look at the 153 results  to see if anything jumps out.  Finally, given my negative searches, how sure are you he arrived at Ellis Island??  Not all immigrants went that route.  Is there an immigration stamp for Ellis Island/New York Harbor in his passport??  Where did you get the arrival date from????

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    Hi Gabriel,

    If and that's an "if" he came through Ellis Island, then in your case my feeling is that the ship manifest may have been degraded before the Latter Day Saints in the 1990s did the name index for Ellis Island.  Ancestry.com not only did the manifests but also the detention pages... so if Jakob was detained, he should appear on the Ancestry index even if not on Ellis Island database.  By 1950s the manifests were destroyed.  There are some other ways of searching.... for the **original** ship manifest.  First, you seem to have a specific date of arrival at Ellis Island... you could go to: https://stevemorse.org/ellis/boat.html and enter the arrival date... that will take you using the search button to a number of ships arriving on July 9, 1920, and "supplemental manifests" which I think are fragments of manifests.  You can see the port that the ships came out of.... assuming he came out of either Rotterdam or London (two ships on the list)..... check the passport to see if there is a stamp from either of those ports.  The ship list will get you to the manifests and you might see a degraded line, missing a name, that matches what you know about Jakoba.  Second, the WPA from the **original** manifests in late 1930s, early 1940s did  a card  index of names.  The cards are on line at: (www.familysearch.org/.../341057)  But the way the cards are arranged by Ancestry is quirky.  See my YouTube Video on this technique (and many others including searching on who they were going to): "Finding Difficult Passengers on the Ellis Island Manifests" at: https://youtu.be/5dzaug6_pd   I searched the WPA card index for soundex G625 and G655 (films 8880201 and 8880209 at FamilySearch) without success.... the ...201 film at image 14402 of 24567 where I expected Jakoba and for ...209 film about 22800 or so.  Third, you could search on "book" indexes"  (see my youtube film on this subject).... https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/2299396 but searches on Jakoba (exact) and last name Giermana yielded no results, and Jakoba and exact Giermana also no results.  You might want to fool around with that index and look at the 153 results  to see if anything jumps out.  Finally, given my negative searches, how sure are you he arrived at Ellis Island??  Not all immigrants went that route.  Is there an immigration stamp for Ellis Island/New York Harbor in his passport??  Where did you get the arrival date from????

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